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POL: Stop the NAFTA Highway!!!
Buchanan's column is just the latest to write/talk about it. For those who have never heard about it this column is a good start. Google for lots more info. This thing starts construction next year???
WE HAVE GOT TO STOP THIS!!! MAKE IT DEADER THAN THE DUBAI PORTS DEAL!!! Regardless of what you think about me, nobody in their right mind, American anyways, could possible want this thing to happen! http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=67 |
Oh, I can think of quite a few Americans who'd be more than happy to see this happen.
I can understand the reasoning behind a North American Economic Union, a la the EU, but a full political union is much ado about nothing and isn't even an absolutel certainty in Europe. |
The EU model for travel and commodity transport seemed to me to work pretty darned well when I was in Europe.
I have to admit that Buchanan lost me when he started arguing that a big highway would threaten our national sovereignty, though. If that's all it takes, we're not very sovereign anyway. |
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Efficient transport of people and goods? ACK!!! THE HORROR!!! :rolleyes: |
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Not to mention the ecological horrors of such a road. Curious on how all the eco groups are very quiet on this, though. We can't slant-drill for oil in Alaska with no enviromental threat but this monster highway won't damage the landscape, wetlands and other natural wild-life habitats? |
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Dola -
I have concerns about greater integration between the U.S., Canada and Mexico, but there are also potential positives as well. I'd be interested in seeing more detailed and thoughtful examinations of such a possibility. |
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Umm... They are not building a "huge NAFTA Super Highway, four football-fields-wide" or whatever the article is stating. It appears that they are attempting to coordinate existing infrastructure (i.e., the roads already exist, it's just a matter of tying them together). No secret conspiracy here. http://www.nascocorridor.com/ http://www.nascocorridor.com/NASCO_FAQs_072706.pdf |
In my country there is problem,
And that problem is transport. It take very very long, Because United States is big. Throw transport down the well So my country can be free We must make travel easy Then well have a big party |
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Ecological horrors??? I wasn't expecting you to be grasping for flimsy arguements this early. ;) And no, the landscape, wetlands and other natural wild-life habitats won't be significantly impacted. As a matter of fact, construction of large capacity highways pretty much always result in a significant increase of wetlands, due to the requirements of Section 404 of the Clean Water Act (as well as the Army Corps of Engineers permitting process). |
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One cannot correlate facts with the blogosphere. Apples and oranges. |
Too funny. It's nothing more than a reworking of already existing corridors. BW, as usual, forgets to mention that The "NASCO Corridor encompasses Interstate Highways 35, 29 and 94," which of course are already built and that its goal is to "develop key relationships along the EXISTING corridors we represent to maximize economic development opportunities along the NASCO Corridor, as well as coordinate the development of technology integration projects, inland ports, environmental initiatives, university research, and the sharing of "best practices".
In fact as NASCO states: "As of late, there has been much media attention given to the "new, proposed NAFTA Superhighway". NASCO and the cities, counties, states and provinces along our existing Interstate Highways 35/29/94 (the NASCO Corridor) have been referring to I-35 as the 'NAFTA Superhighway' for many years, as I-35 already carries a substantial amount of international trade with Mexico, the United States and Canada. There are no plans to build a new NAFTA Superhighway - it exists today as I-35." This is what happens when your sole source of news comes from a limited right wing source. And is exactly why nobody gives a sh%t about BW's opinions. |
Facts are not BW's strong suit.
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Oh Crash, you do make speeches.... |
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Hmm. Ann Coulter and an injunction to "Stop Dating Liberals!" With some fairly fugly broad screaming that she can't date another liberal guy. Yeah, that site's not biased in the least. |
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Here is another link to an article that has many FACTS for you.
http://www.eagleforum.org/column/200.../06-08-23.html Get Ready to spend your new north american currency, the Amero. |
dola, Izulde you won't like the source on this one either, but facts are facts regardless of where they come from.
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This article was written by Phillis Schlafy, who per wikipedia: Quote:
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Even funnier is the author of the piece wrote the Swift Boat Vets book against Kerry -- the same one that said Kerry basically shot himself to get medals. Definitely fair and balanced. Edit: Ah you beat me to it. But remember, "if it's in print, it must be true!" |
Ok, laying aside the partisan stuff. We are not likely to see a new currency replacing the dollar in our lifetime. But neither are we likely to see a tighter border between the US and Mexico. Other than that, I don't know what all the fuss is about. Free trade is good economic policy for both US and Mexico.
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Pretty good credentials. Likely just does not share your views so you consider her a wacko. |
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Much like the Dubai ownership of US ports, this presents real concerns over the US government’s ability to secure its borders and protect its people. Trucks will drive from Mexico direct to the center in KC without stopping at the border. It will be possible for people and cargo to stop along the way and exit the highway gaining access into the US without going through customs or immigration Other concerns are around the use of eminent domain to take land from US citizens for the project. Most concerns come from the lack of exposure something this big has received. The Dubai incident proves it is a major concern with US citizens and should be debated and in the open so the people of the US know what is planned and can weigh in. |
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I don't know what Todzilla's saying, but that's what I'm saying. Please, quit drinking the frickin' kool-aid. |
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Sit back for a second and actually think. Now, do you actually think the plan is to allow people to cross the border and allow people to just walk off into the hinterland? "Alarmist." Look it up in the dictionary. By the way, you haven't heard about much, including in the media -- because it's not actually happening! |
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Nothing could be further from the truth. The facts very much depend on the source, especially on the internet. |
So let me get this striaght....
The Republicans in congress haven't done anything to increase border security... The Republicans in congress haven't done anything to increase security in our ports... The Republicans in congress haven't done anything to increase security in our airports... Yet the Republicans are all up in arms over some pie-in-the-sky *highway*? |
Slightly OT, but I love the word "Amero". We need to make that happen.
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And I apologize for appearing as if I consider someone wacko for simply not sharing my views. I'd like to think that I have higher standards than that. For example, I consider someone wacko who believes that diapers and not feminism contributed to the improvement of women's lives, or that John Kerry shot himself to get a Purple Heart, or that the Unites States of America is at risk of losing its soverignty. THAT kind of person is batshit-crazy. |
I can see where disposable diapers had a bigger impact on many women's lives than feminism.
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Dont worry, I knew exactly who I was quoting. Im posting in a BubbaWheels thread afterall. ;) |
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best Borat bit ever. |
I think a POL in the thread title might be wise...
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Unbelievable. What is really amazing is that, other than for Grammaticus, all these others have no clue as to how far outside the real American mainstream they really are. Waaaaayyyyy outside!!! I'd even venture a guess many are not even American.
The last is not a 'criticsm', just an obvious inference. Afterall, this NAFTA stuff is all pork and gravy for those south of the border or shipping into the U.S. from 3rd world countries. |
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. |
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It means in poll after poll the VAST majority of Americans do NOT want open borders, lower standards of living and the numbers of illegal aliens we now have. What do you think it means? :rolleyes: |
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I think it means you don't know the first rule of polling. #1. Thou shalt shape the poll to thy preferences. |
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That's a good point. I don't know anybody in favor of lower standards of living. |
Also, I cannot believe the number of those who want to call me 'stupid' or such and then state idiocies like '... I don't think the plan is to have them wander off into the hinterland..." What's stopping them? Your secret plan?
Or (paraphrase) '... the highway ALREADY exists!" No it does not! This is an ACTUAL to be constructed highway, as the article says, with the median being used for rail and pipeline purposes. IT GOES TO KANSAS CITY! It goes from Texas to Canada! How much more simple can that be??? Interestingly, but not surpisingly, the ones making those inane observations are the very ones usually attempting to pass themselves off as the more 'intelligent' board members. Not. |
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Businesses that hire illegal aliens to keep from paying decent wages for legal labor. Not for themselves, of course, just for the rest of us. |
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By your standards, there can never be a consensus on anything. Not likely. |
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I still say Bubba would be the last person that would spread the gospel to those south of the border or to illegals here. Just imagine the look on Bubba's face if he gets to heaven and can't find the borders of the USA!
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You do realize that there are currently many roads that cross the USA's borders with Mexico and Canada........don't you? |
Dola -
You might want to peruse the links that Klinglerware posted earlier in the thread, the info direct from the horse's mouth as it were. Might help clarify some of your misconceptions... http://www.nascocorridor.com/ http://www.nascocorridor.com/NASCO_FAQs_072706.pdf |
The fact that we are not, apparently, Americans by Bubba's definition makes me feel warm and fuzzy about the state of our country.
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