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QuikSand 01-10-2007 10:22 AM

English needs a new term
 
Okay, there's a phenomenon that needs a catchy term -- coin a new word, or a multi-word phrase -- to better describe it.

(I'm leaving the POL label off this for now, but this discussion could certainly go that way, and I will be merciless in dleeting it if this devolves into the usual POL horseshit, so be forewarned)


Here's my first example:

Setting, Cleveland. You're in the stands watching a Browns game, surrounded by ardent fans, suitably attired. There's a controversial play -- it looks like the CLE running back has fumbled the ball away in a critical situation, and that might cost the Browns an important game. (I know, work with me, this is a hypothetical)

Now, the officials are looking at a replay, to determine whether the player's knee was down before the fumble. If it was, CLE gets to keep the ball, and might win the game. If it was not, CLE loses the ball and loses all hope.

The replay goes up on the jumbo screen... and everyone has a look. It's a fairly close call, not a perfect angle.

...what do the fans around you say?

Of course, they ALL conclude that his knee was down. It's patently obvious! Any blind man could see it! Plain as day! HE WAS DOWN!


There are obviously situations where people's predisposed desires for a certain outcome not only guide their impressions of right and wrong, but they go beyond that and actually guide their impressions of true and false. Here, I don't know for certain, but I suspect that quite a lot of those Browns fans truly believe the knee was down... they want it to be true so badly than in their eyes, it's what they see.


This is a phenomenon that any psorts fan can relate to. It also seems to happen in a wide range of other settings, including the political. I have yet to see or hear a particularly effective term for it, or if I have, it's just not coming to me at the moment.


So, I present to you, the minds of FOFC, a request. What should thinking English speakers adopt as a term to describe this phenomenon? People shaping their impression of actual facts to suit the end result they desire.... we ought to call it... what?

MikeVic 01-10-2007 10:25 AM

Horseblinders Syndrome.

rkmsuf 01-10-2007 10:25 AM

is this similar to saying

Cleveland fans were predisposed to think the runner was down.

Klinglerware 01-10-2007 10:29 AM

There is a whole slew of work in social and social-cognitive psychology that relates to this. To start, check out the little wiki article on Cognitive Biases:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias



EDIT: "Confirmation Bias" may be the correct term to describe the phenomenon you wrote about above...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Ksyrup 01-10-2007 10:31 AM

OJ Syndrome

Logan 01-10-2007 10:35 AM

Well if it's Cleveland, it's gotta incorporate "Earnest Byner" in some way.

cthomer5000 01-10-2007 10:37 AM

I think Quik wants something he can market, like a soft drink.. you know something catchy the people will get behind.

Blias

blinders + bias = Blias, the new taste sensation!

wow does that suck

st.cronin 01-10-2007 10:39 AM

I'm sure the lawyers of the board have a whole thesaurus of terms for this.

Klinglerware 01-10-2007 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000 (Post 1353762)
I think Quik wants something he can market, like a soft drink.. you know something catchy the people will get behind.

Blias

blinders + bias = Blias, the new taste sensation!

wow does that suck


Blias + Duke homerism =


QuikSand 01-10-2007 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klinglerware (Post 1353748)
EDIT: "Confirmation Bias" may be the correct term to describe the phenomenon you wrote about above...


Excellent submission, and it might well be the correct clinically adopted term. I don't know, however, if it has any shot to be embraced by the non-clinical community. The great unwashed have a fondness for more down-to-earth terms.

Ksyrup 01-10-2007 10:44 AM

Before we get too carried away with this, someone should check with Rich Hall. This has "sniglet" written all over it.

Huckleberry 01-10-2007 10:50 AM

A term is going to be tough. The most applicable existing term would be that they are looking at the replay "through brown-(orange-?)colored glasses".

I got nothing original, though. How about a phrase - seeing it with your heart's eyes. I know it sucks but somebody outside my office just said "see it with my own two eyes" so it popped into my head. The more people that hate it, the better. Any cliché with a lifespan has a lot of haters.

Rizon 01-10-2007 10:51 AM

The Browns have fans?

Wait, the Browns are back in the NFL?? When did this happen??

QuikSand 01-10-2007 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huckleberry (Post 1353779)
seeing it with your heart's eyes


I'm not wild about it, but you're completely on my wavelength. The "blinders" concept, one way or another, rings a bell with me, too.

Kodos 01-10-2007 10:54 AM

Homerphobia - the fear that a call will go against your team.

Logan 01-10-2007 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huckleberry (Post 1353779)
A term is going to be tough. The most applicable existing term would be that they are looking at the replay "through brown-(orange-?)colored glasses".

I got nothing original, though. How about a phrase - seeing it with your heart's eyes. I know it sucks but somebody outside my office just said "see it with my own two eyes" so it popped into my head. The more people that hate it, the better. Any cliché with a lifespan has a lot of haters.


Listen to this guy...I hear he knows a thing or two about this sport of football that people keep talking about.

rkmsuf 01-10-2007 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 1353783)
I'm not wild about it, but you're completely on my wavelength. The "blinders" concept, one way or another, rings a bell with me, too.


Reality blinkers

vtbub 01-10-2007 11:01 AM

Heart's eyes is what I came up with as I read the initial post.

Hometown myopia?

Huckleberry 01-10-2007 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtbub (Post 1353794)
Heart's eyes is what I came up with as I read the initial post.


I've been trying to tell everyone how smart this guy is.

albionmoonlight 01-10-2007 11:11 AM

Slant truth?

flere-imsaho 01-10-2007 11:13 AM

collective delusion

stevew 01-10-2007 02:37 PM

Adjoined convergence?

st.cronin 01-10-2007 02:39 PM

"selling to themselves"

Also known as "enron-ing".

wheels 01-10-2007 02:55 PM

Phenomenon in general: me-ality, meeality

As applied to sports: fanaticall (fan at i call)

QuikSand 01-10-2007 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheels (Post 1354057)
Phenomenon in general: me-ality, meeality


That has surprising potential, I think.

Maple Leafs 01-10-2007 03:11 PM

What you're describing is similar, but not exactly like, the concept of the Echo Chamber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_chamber

Quote:

Metaphorically, the term echo chamber can refer to any situation in which information or ideas are amplified by transmission inside an enclosed space.

For example, observers of journalism in the mass media describe an echo chamber effect in media discourse. One purveyor of information will make a claim, which many like-minded people then repeat, overhear, and repeat again (often in an exaggerated or otherwise distorted form) until most people assume that some extreme variation of the story is true.

Due to this condition arising in online communities, participants may find their own opinions constantly echoed back to them, and in doing so reinforce a certain sense of truth that resonates with individual belief systems. This can create some significant challenges to critical discourse within an online medium. The echo-chamber effect may also impact a lack of recognition to large demographic changes in language and culture on the Internet if individuals only create, experience and navigate those online spaces that reinforce their "preferred" world view. Another emerging term used to describe this "echoing" and homogenizing effect on the Internet within social communities is "cultural tribalism".


Similarly, I think a big part of why everyone in the stadium thinks his knee was down is that, not only do they want it to be, but everyone around them seems to think so too.

Bonegavel 01-10-2007 03:35 PM

Optical delusion

bbor 01-10-2007 03:42 PM

Asshat!

Vinatieri for Prez 01-10-2007 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 1353739)
So, I present to you, the minds of FOFC, a request. What should thinking English speakers adopt as a term to describe this phenomenon? People shaping their impression of actual facts to suit the end result they desire.... we ought to call it... what?


Bush Administrationism.

st.cronin 01-10-2007 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez (Post 1354109)
Bush Administrationism.


People will lose posts!

Dutch 01-10-2007 04:20 PM

Cleveland Fan #1 - "He was down!"
Cleveland Fan #2 - "No fumble! No way!"
Cleveland Fan #3 - "Aw, c'mon ref, he was effin' DOWN!"
Cleveland Fan #4 - "I'm sensing a little confirmation bias. Let the ref's do their jobs!"

Hmmm, I don't know...

gkb 01-10-2007 04:58 PM

I'm not sure this directly applies, but I think it's close.

Wizard's First Rule: "People will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true." (From Terry Goodkind's, Wizard's First Rule book.)

So in this case, Brown's fans believe the knee was down because they want to believe it's true.

Although I don't think you can go around saying "Wizard's First Rule"...that's not real catchy.

Cleveland Fan #1 - "He was down!"
Cleveland Fan #2 - "No fumble! No way!"
Cleveland Fan #3 - "Aw, c'mon ref, he was effin' DOWN!"
Cleveland Fan #4 - "Dude, Wizard's First Rule. Let the ref's do their jobs!"

That's....just bad.

John Galt 01-10-2007 05:04 PM

It's too bad IMetTrentGreen's name isn't easily converted into a verb.

digamma 01-10-2007 05:26 PM

You are using your [fill in your team's colors] colored glasses.

Maple Leafs 01-10-2007 05:27 PM

If you want something you can use with sports fans, "goggles" tends to work well. As in, you're looking at that play through your [team] goggles.

Example:
Me: "I don't know, I really think Sundin is one of the top five players in the league."
Friend: "Guy, take off your Leaf goggles, would you?

Maple Leafs 01-10-2007 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 1354201)
You are using your [fill in your team's colors] colored glasses.

You had all day to post that, and you had to do it 30 seconds before me?

digamma 01-10-2007 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs (Post 1354204)
You had all day to post that, and you had to do it 30 seconds before me?


slow poke


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