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Karlifornia 03-26-2007 07:29 PM

What makes it country music?
 
I don't dislike country music. It's not my favorite, but it's actually quite easy to relate to most of the lyrics, and a good country song can make allow any wayfaring man to wallow in self-pity. My question, though, is what makes country music..country music? What I've noticed is they all sing in that....I guess..Southern accent? Without this accent, can it still be country?

King of New York 03-26-2007 07:34 PM

It's all about the fiddle.

HerRealName 03-26-2007 07:36 PM

I really hate the music they play on popular country radio stations and I don't even think of it as country music. They need to start calling that crap pop country instead.

I see what you are saying though. A guy and his guitar and a southern accent gets qualified as country but if you substitute a northern accent it is considered folk music.

MrIllini 03-26-2007 07:36 PM

the label

JonInMiddleGA 03-26-2007 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia (Post 1427687)
What I've noticed is they all sing in that....I guess..Southern accent? Without this accent, can it still be country?


I'm not sure I can tell you any single thing that works as a hard & fast rule to determine whether something is/isn't country.

I can, however, tell you without a doubt that a Southern accent isn't a requirement. Keith Urban (Australia), Martina McBride (Kansas), and Dierks Bentley (Arizona & New Jersey), put that notion to rest pretty quickly.

As for any arguments about "country" vs "pop country" vs "alt country" vs "rockin' country", etc., I'll agree that there's all sorts of niches, but that they'll all still reside under the broad banner of "Country".

Karlifornia 03-26-2007 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1427711)
I'm not sure I can tell you any single thing that works as a hard & fast rule to determine whether something is/isn't country.

I can, however, tell you without a doubt that a Southern accent isn't a requirement. Keith Urban (Australia), Martina McBride (Kansas), and Dierks Bentley (Arizona & New Jersey), put that notion to rest pretty quickly.

As for any arguments about "country" vs "pop country" vs "alt country" vs "rockin' country", etc., I'll agree that there's all sorts of niches, but that they'll all still reside under the broad banner of "Country".


Ok..I've never heard Urban, McBride, or Bentley. I'll give it a listen. I've just always assumed that it's not country without that twang in your voice.

MrIllini 03-26-2007 07:52 PM

making out with your sister helps, too

dawgfan 03-26-2007 07:53 PM

The "twang" of the signing (that southern accent you refer to) seems to be a big part of what constitutes Country music for most people. Beyond that, I think it's also about the musical style, which is often in major chords with fairly straight-forward tempos and rhythms as well as the typical instrumentation - guitar, bass, drums, often accompanied by fiddle, banjo and/or slide pedal steel slide guitar.

I'm not a big fan of much country music outside some of the older classics like Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson and Patsy Cline, but I do find that I like a lot of songs by rock artists that are decidedly "Country" in style - "Dead Flowers" by the Stones being a prime example.

MrIllini 03-26-2007 07:54 PM

dead flowers is a fan-goshdamned-tastic song...you're the best

dawgfan 03-26-2007 07:57 PM

The Grateful Dead also had a number of songs that flirted with a "Country" style that were pretty good, as did The Band.

lordscarlet 03-26-2007 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia (Post 1427717)
Ok..I've never heard Urban, McBride, or Bentley. I'll give it a listen. I've just always assumed that it's not country without that twang in your voice.


Wow. If you've never heard Martina McBride I don't know what country you are listening to. :)

SackAttack 03-26-2007 08:58 PM

If you're gonna play in Texas, you gotta have a fiddle in the band.

Young Drachma 03-26-2007 08:59 PM

Cowboy Troy

I kid, I kid.

Young Drachma 03-26-2007 09:00 PM

alt country and bluegrass for me pls thx

JonInMiddleGA 03-26-2007 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud (Post 1427853)
Cowboy Troy


The innovator of hick-hop :D

Young Drachma 03-26-2007 09:06 PM

Ugh, you know what the problem with him is? If they just had a producer who knew anything about hip-hop, it wouldn't sound so terrible.

Ok, it probably would. But...mostly because he can't rap a lick.

I think if someone was to do it, this kid should be it. He's signed to the Muzik Mafia. His name is Chance. His other songs don't sound as good. He's on myspace. I think he needs to strip it down (musically..) and stick to this sort of thing to start off. Folks will be confused. But at least it won't be as...painful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfcc6ZD-N9I

Rizon 03-26-2007 11:38 PM

The teeth.

I mean, the lack of.

EagleFan 03-26-2007 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MrIllini (Post 1427718)
making out with your sister helps, too


He didn't ask how to tell if someone was from Illinois....

sooner333 03-27-2007 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud (Post 1427854)
alt country and bluegrass for me pls thx


What kind of stuff would you consider alt country?

When I think of it, I'm thinking Texas Country or Red Dirt Country...but that's probably because I'm in Oklahoma and that's the "different" country you might hear on the radio once in awhile or at a concert.

Schmidty 03-27-2007 01:31 AM

I love country music, but I hate a majority of the horrific crap that is popular now.

Give me the mid '80s and before, and I'll listen.

Pyser 03-27-2007 02:02 AM

that dierks bentley song What Was I Thinking is the shit!

Sporkimata 03-27-2007 02:23 AM

I like some so called alt country bands, 16 horespower, The Damnations, Jay Hawks...lotta stuff out there

Chief Rum 03-27-2007 04:20 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if non-country music listening people haven't really heard a Dierks Bentley song, but I would bet there are a few Martina McBride songs (like Valentine) or Keith Urban songs that just about everyone is familair with. You just didn't know it was a country singer.

wade moore 03-27-2007 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 1428080)
I wouldn't be surprised if non-country music listening people haven't really heard a Dierks Bentley song, but I would bet there are a few Martina McBride songs (like Valentine) or Keith Urban songs that just about everyone is familair with. You just didn't know it was a country singer.


Yup.

And I just absolutely love the generalizations in this thread.

I've never understood the venom that goes toward country music and it's fans. It has to be the least offensive form of popular music out there, yet so much venom towards it.

I generally view this as one of those "thou doth protest too much" moments...

MrIllini 03-27-2007 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 1428017)
He didn't ask how to tell if someone was from Illinois....


it took you all night to come up with that?

Draft Dodger 03-27-2007 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud (Post 1427863)
Ugh, you know what the problem with him is? If they just had a producer who knew anything about hip-hop, it wouldn't sound so terrible.

Ok, it probably would. But...mostly because he can't rap a lick.


I like country, I like hip hop, I like hybrid music. I REALLY want to like Cowboy Troy, but he is just, flat out, the worst rapper I have ever heard in my entire life. His rhymes are awful, and his delivery is worse.

Draft Dodger 03-27-2007 08:21 AM

I think it was EW that had a short blurb a couple weeks ago about some of the folkier pop artists getting squeezed out by the urbanization of the pop genre, and so they are moving more towards country. Jewel, would be one example (no doubt inspired by her recent stint on Nashville Star).

personally, I listen to a ton of country, and I don't really see much difference between it a lot of the other stuff I listen to

Karlifornia 03-27-2007 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud (Post 1427863)
Ugh, you know what the problem with him is? If they just had a producer who knew anything about hip-hop, it wouldn't sound so terrible.

Ok, it probably would. But...mostly because he can't rap a lick.

I think if someone was to do it, this kid should be it. He's signed to the Muzik Mafia. His name is Chance. His other songs don't sound as good. He's on myspace. I think he needs to strip it down (musically..) and stick to this sort of thing to start off. Folks will be confused. But at least it won't be as...painful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfcc6ZD-N9I


No thanks, I'm not ready for a second helping of Kid Rock.

rkmsuf 03-27-2007 12:16 PM

man shirts, short skirts

hoosierdude 03-27-2007 01:58 PM

Quoting my wife about country music...

"Country music wouldn't be so bad listening to if they could get rid of that awful twangy slide guitar. I can't stand it."

One of the reasons I listen to it along with talk sports radio.

Did I mention we have been married 28 years? I love that woman but she has terrible taste in radio and music appreciation. (ducks)

"Sorry hon. I will get right on those dishes, yes ma'am." :)

JPhillips 03-27-2007 02:00 PM

I like both types of music, country and western.

BrianD 03-27-2007 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger (Post 1428153)
I like country, I like hip hop, I like hybrid music. I REALLY want to like Cowboy Troy, but he is just, flat out, the worst rapper I have ever heard in my entire life. His rhymes are awful, and his delivery is worse.


Country and rap? My two least favorite genres mixed together...I'll have to be sure to stay away.

st.cronin 03-27-2007 02:03 PM

Its un-American to dislike country music.

BrianD 03-27-2007 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1428590)
Its un-American to dislike country music.


What is it to hate country music with every fiber of my being?

MrIllini 03-27-2007 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD (Post 1428598)
What is it to hate country music with every fiber of my being?


I'm no expert, but I heard that means that Subby will come to your place with half-marathon induced ball sweat.

st.cronin 03-27-2007 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD (Post 1428598)
What is it to hate country music with every fiber of my being?


Nancy Pelosi.

watravaler 03-27-2007 03:08 PM

What do I hear on the radio? Bubble-gum pop with southern accents and a slower tempo.


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