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Neon_Chaos 05-05-2007 01:22 PM

Killer tornado in Kansas
 
hxxp://www.cnn.com/2007/WEATHER/05/05/severe.weather/index.html

cartman 05-05-2007 01:33 PM

There isn't much you can do when a tornado that big hits. It pretty much destroyed that town.

sterlingice 05-05-2007 01:42 PM

I've been trying to find some footage of that storm. I was actually watching it on radar last night (hey, it's Kansas and I was bored- it's what I do: I'll chck out NOAA's watches and warning and see where the crazy stuff is). The big bright ball of green next to the big bright ball of red on the wind map was amazing- Ive never seen anything close to that big.

There were a couple of things on Lezak's weather blog, including the radar of the tornado and it's just impossible to imagine how big that thing was and the level of shear it had:
http://community.nbcactionnews.com/b...g/default.aspx

SI

Neon_Chaos 05-05-2007 01:54 PM

They're saying it could be the first EF-5 on record.

bulletsponge 05-05-2007 02:20 PM

whats an EF-5?

sabotai 05-05-2007 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bulletsponge (Post 1458944)
whats an EF-5?


It's the worst category for tornados according to the Enhanced Fujita scale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Fujita_Scale

sterlingice 05-05-2007 02:30 PM

EF is the new Enhanced Fujita scale- basically the tornado scale. They just switched over to it this year.

Like when you hear "category 4 hurricane"- it's that idea but for tornadoes.

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/faq/tornado/ef-scale.html

SI

cartman 05-05-2007 06:35 PM

Here are some pics. Total devastation. :(

http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/...ornadoaerials/

Buccaneer 05-05-2007 06:44 PM

My god.

st.cronin 05-05-2007 06:51 PM

I don't see a single structure that won't need to be rebuilt.

Buccaneer 05-05-2007 06:55 PM

Please call 800-redcross or go to www.redcross.org to donate and help rebuild the people of Greensburg to rebuild their lives.

cartman 05-05-2007 08:21 PM

Damn, another huge tornado has touched down near Macksville, KS, about half an hour away from Greensburg, the town that got ravaged last night.

:(

http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigw...ornado+Warning

JeeberD 05-05-2007 09:55 PM

My god, those pictures are stunning. I never thought that a freakin' tornado could do that kind of damage... :(

cartman 05-05-2007 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD (Post 1459209)
My god, those pictures are stunning. I never thought that a freakin' tornado could do that kind of damage... :(


You haven't seen the ones of Jarrell, TX then. That tornado was straight from the depths of hell. It hit a subdivision, and there was nothing left. No debris, nothing. It completely destroyed houses, and ripped the asphalt off the road. All that was left was concrete pads, and dirt paths where roads were laid.

Tyrith 05-06-2007 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 1459219)
You haven't seen the ones of Jarrell, TX then. That tornado was straight from the depths of hell. It hit a subdivision, and there was nothing left. No debris, nothing. It completely destroyed houses, and ripped the asphalt off the road. All that was left was concrete pads, and dirt paths where roads were laid.


That was a scary as hell tornado, and one of the scariest days of my life in general -- although I was 10 at the time, probably explaining it. But just litening to it on the radio, then seeing the aftermath...was awful.

sterlingice 05-06-2007 12:40 AM

It's just impossible to comprehend a tornado that large- I mean, a 50' wide tornado is considered "big"- this is 100x that size. Looking at this pictures, you can see just how wide it was and to have just a continuous chunk of destruction 6 blocks wide is just staggering to think about. That's actually why I was trying to find pictures of the storm itself (tho hard to get since it was after dark)- I just can't imagine it.

FYI, Lezak's blog has a description from a spotter who was chasing that storm.

It's a little freaky out tonight here. Most of the stuff is out west but it's very muggy and still 78 degrees as of midnight with a really high dewpoint. Thankfully, it looks like the conditions aren't quite right here like they are further west so we're avoiding the storms but back towards central Kansas, they have had tornadoes touching down again tonight including 2 about half an hour ago.

SI

Thomkal 05-06-2007 06:12 AM

My grandfather designed/built a church in Greensburg some 50+ years ago. No idea if it was still around at the time of the tornado, but sad to think its gone for sure now.

Scarecrow 05-06-2007 09:07 AM

Does anyone have the link to check the status of Greensburd residents? I heard on the Weather channel that there is one, but cannot find it. My work (Kansas Department of Agriculture) has 2 home offices in Greensburg, and I'd like to know how their doing.

sooner333 05-06-2007 12:21 PM

BTW, the Extended Fujita scale takes less to get to F5 than the old scale. A new EF-5 is like an F4 or higher in the old scale.

I'll always remember watching May 3, 1999 as the news stations tailed a huge tornado through Oklahoma and then caught the damage when it got to Moore and then skirted around Tinker AFB.

Neon_Chaos 05-06-2007 12:33 PM

I think the EF scale is more defined by windspeed rather than by the amount of damage it does (the old scale was heavily dependent on the damage caused).

tucker rocky 05-06-2007 12:41 PM

With all the happenings going on in the world today. (ex: fires, floods, tornadoes, hurricanes, war and others)

Is this world destined to be a barren wasteland? Are the people being punished by the creator for destroying what has be created?

molson 05-06-2007 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tucker rocky (Post 1459450)
With all the happenings going on in the world today. (ex: fires, floods, tornadoes, hurricanes, war and others)

Is this world destined to be a barren wasteland? Are the people being punished by the creator for destroying what has be created?


I'd believe it if tornadoes were invented in 1975, and wars in 1993.

Buccaneer 05-06-2007 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 1459451)
I'd believe it if tornadoes were invented in 1975, and wars in 1993.


You're wrong. Volcanoes were invented in 1981, wars in 1991, hurricanes and floods in 2005 and killer tornadoes just recently. Nothing happened before 1980.

JPhillips 05-06-2007 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tucker rocky (Post 1459450)
With all the happenings going on in the world today. (ex: fires, floods, tornadoes, hurricanes, war and others)

Is this world destined to be a barren wasteland? Are the people being punished by the creator for destroying what has be created?


The rain falls on the just and unjust alike.

Senator 05-06-2007 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 1459219)
You haven't seen the ones of Jarrell, TX then. That tornado was straight from the depths of hell. It hit a subdivision, and there was nothing left. No debris, nothing. It completely destroyed houses, and ripped the asphalt off the road. All that was left was concrete pads, and dirt paths where roads were laid.


That is the same thing I thought of when I read Jeebers post. The one in Jarrell didn't even leave debris behind. Like you said, it was a clean sweep tornado. Scariest thing I have ever seen.

SFL Cat 05-06-2007 01:40 PM

Very sad. What a monster that thing must have been to so totally devastate the area like it did. Having been through both tornadoes and hurricanes, I think a hurricane would be my choice of poison.

I would like to know what that silo-looking structure in Greensburg was. It looks like the only building in the area relatively still intact.

Scarecrow 05-06-2007 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFL Cat (Post 1459472)
I would like to know what that silo-looking structure in Greensburg was. It looks like the only building in the area relatively still intact.


It's a grain warehouse (Farmers Grain and Supply Company)- amazing that it's still standing. Probably the tallest building in the town.

molson 05-07-2007 11:32 AM

It looks like someone may have just been found alive in the rubble, more than two days after the tornados.

Kodos 05-07-2007 01:21 PM

Can't wait to hear whatever stupid things Jimmy Falwell and his ilk have to say this time.

Aylmar 05-07-2007 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scarecrow (Post 1459494)
It's a grain warehouse (Farmers Grain and Supply Company)- amazing that it's still standing. Probably the tallest building in the town.


It doesn't shock me that the grain elevator made it. Those things have extremely thick concrete walls. I can't imagine the wind levels that would be required to knock it down. Earthquake, maybe. Wind? Having worked around and in them for quite a few years growing up, I just can't fathom it. Those tubes are single pieces of concrete (that's a slip-form elevator), so it can't really break into chunks without some kind of explosion. The wind would literally have to rip/lift the entire 100+ foot high concrete cylinder off the ground in order to move it.

It's very sad. I remember going to the Big Well (world's largest hand dug well) a few times as a kid when we drove through on our way to Wichita.

cartman 05-15-2007 09:02 PM

Wow. This is an impressive photo gallery of the aftermath of the storm. Just goes to show the immense power of mother nature.

http://ultimatechase.com/chase_accou...age_Survey.htm


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