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sachmo71 05-10-2007 10:25 AM

Question for church-goers
 
My buddy lives in Rochester, and he told me that the Catholic church where his wife and daughter go recently sent out a letter to the congregation outlining the financial woes of the parish and they asked them members to open a 100k insurance policy naming the church as the beneficiary.

Has anyone ever seen anything like this? I feel this would really alienate an already shrinking congregation, and I can't see how this plea makes any sense.

Telle 05-10-2007 10:30 AM

And how is that going to help the parish's financial situation in the near future anyways? Unless they have a rather elderly congregation..

Dr. Sak 05-10-2007 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle (Post 1461766)
And how is that going to help the parish's financial situation in the near future anyways? Unless they have a rather elderly congregation..


Either that or they will find out who actually took the policy out and put a price on their head.

KWhit 05-10-2007 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71 (Post 1461760)
My buddy lives in Rochester, and he told me that the Catholic church where his wife and daughter go recently sent out a letter to the congregation outlining the financial woes of the parish and they asked them members to open a 100k insurance policy naming the church as the beneficiary.

Has anyone ever seen anything like this? I feel this would really alienate an already shrinking congregation, and I can't see how this plea makes any sense.


Wow. I'm pretty dumbfounded, but I bet some people do it.

Passacaglia 05-10-2007 11:20 AM

Will an insurer allow that?

flounder 05-10-2007 11:44 AM

I've heard of some churches in the south doing this. It's nothing but a way for unscrupulous pastors to milk yet more money out of their parishioners.

Drake 05-10-2007 11:51 AM

Mmmm. Milk money.

Passacaglia 05-10-2007 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by flounder (Post 1461853)
I've heard of some churches in the south doing this. It's nothing but a way for unscrupulous pastors to milk yet more money out of their parishioners.


How much per week does a 100K insurance policy cost? Would you feel differently if they said that since they need funds, they're asking everyone to give a certain amount of money? Or if they asked them to will part of their estates to the church?

molson 05-10-2007 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by flounder (Post 1461853)
I've heard of some churches in the south doing this. It's nothing but a way for unscrupulous pastors to milk yet more money out of their parishioners.


I'm sure in some cases the motives are unscupulous, but a church only exists through support from members, correct? So it's not unreasonable to hit them up for cash.

NoMyths 05-10-2007 12:16 PM

It's not uncommon for fund development departments to pursue estate donations -- everyone from churches to universities do so. Even if it sounds a little strange. :)

MikeVic 05-10-2007 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Drake (Post 1461865)
Mmmm. Milk money.


I remember watching that movie. Milk Money.

sachmo71 05-10-2007 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMyths (Post 1461900)
It's not uncommon for fund development departments to pursue estate donations -- everyone from churches to universities do so. Even if it sounds a little strange. :)


I guess I just figured that people asking for your inheritance were limited to the more affluent segment of the population, rather then a general population of a Rochester.

Warhammer 05-10-2007 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by flounder (Post 1461853)
I've heard of some churches in the south doing this. It's nothing but a way for unscrupulous pastors to milk yet more money out of their parishioners.


In the Catholic Church the pastors get their money from the Diocese, not from collections or the congregation like other churches.

Marc Vaughan 05-10-2007 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71 (Post 1461760)
My buddy lives in Rochester, and he told me that the Catholic church where his wife and daughter go recently sent out a letter to the congregation outlining the financial woes of the parish and they asked them members to open a 100k insurance policy naming the church as the beneficiary.


Doesn't surprise me at all to be honest - the catholic church always seems to have an eye for 'business' (charging for remembrance candles and suchlike in England which to me seemed extremely tasteless, a donation is one thing .... but).

That being said the bible it is impossible to interpret parts of the bible to indicate that its harder for a rich man to reach heaven, as such they might just consider themselves ensuring their congregation are saved :D

Marc Vaughan 05-10-2007 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 1461889)
I'm sure in some cases the motives are unscupulous, but a church only exists through support from members, correct? So it's not unreasonable to hit them up for cash.


Aren't the catholic churches more 'franchise' based? - ie. the land etc. is owned by the catholic church themselves and the body allocate priests & pay their wages etc. to the churches as they see appropriate ...

(sorry just seen that Warhammer answered this - thanks for the info)

SackAttack 05-10-2007 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan (Post 1462194)
That being said the bible it is impossible to interpret parts of the bible to indicate that its harder for a rich man to reach heaven, as such they might just consider themselves ensuring their congregation are saved :D



But if it's impossible to interpret parts of the bible to indicate that, doesn't this just amount to petty extortion? :D

Marc Vaughan 05-10-2007 05:04 PM

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But if it's impossible to interpret parts of the bible to indicate that, doesn't this just amount to petty extortion?
Yeah ok - I mis-typed should have been 'possible' obviously ... lucky my job doesn't rely on my typing accuracy .... errr .... ;)

(embarressed)

cougarfreak 05-10-2007 05:19 PM

Exactly why I do my own church devotionals at home. I've never found a church that wasn't a money grubber.

st.cronin 05-10-2007 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle (Post 1461766)
And how is that going to help the parish's financial situation in the near future anyways? Unless they have a rather elderly congregation..


WAG - it could allow them to leverage some low-interest loans. Or something like that.

Also I think on certain life insurance policies you can draw reduced payoffs early. Not sure, exactly.

Drake 05-11-2007 05:11 PM

The Masons ask us to do the same sort of thing (though usually just depending on bequests). Same thing with my alma mater.

M GO BLUE!!! 05-11-2007 06:27 PM

If anyone wishes to take out an insurance policy naming me as the benefactor, PM me.


:D

Glengoyne 05-11-2007 06:40 PM

I too have heard of this method of fund raising promoted. All sorts of non-profits are up to this. I don't really see a problem with an individual naming a non-profit as a beneficiary, so I guess it is hard to find too much fault in a church soliciting it. That said, I don't believe I'd be behind my church doing any such thing.

Passacaglia 05-11-2007 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1462354)
WAG - it could allow them to leverage some low-interest loans. Or something like that.

Also I think on certain life insurance policies you can draw reduced payoffs early. Not sure, exactly.


That's true, but if a policy is pretty new, you won't be able to get much of a payoff.


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