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MrBug708 06-20-2008 12:58 AM

High schoolers make "Pregnant Pact"
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/us...tml?ref=health

BOSTON — At least 17 girls at the public high school in the seaside town of Gloucester, Mass., are expecting babies, and a Time magazine report says nearly half became pregnant after making a pact to do so and raise the children together.


Local officials reached Thursday would not confirm the existence of such a pact but acknowledged that many of the 17 pregnancies — a total four times as many as last school year at the 1,200-student school — had been intentional.

“I’ve heard some of them were not accidents; some of them were pleased when they got the results,” said Greg Verga, a member of the Gloucester School Committee. “I did hear that there were cases where a teen went in several times for pregnancy tests and seemed depressed when it was negative.”

Joseph Sullivan, the principal of the school, Gloucester High, could not be reached for comment. But Time quoted him as saying that of the pregnant students, almost half, none older than 16, had engaged in the pact.

Reached on Thursday, Mayor Carolyn Kirk said the existence of such an agreement was “believable, in the sense that it would explain this spike” in teenage pregnancies.

Ms. Kirk, a member of the school committee, also said that some of those who impregnated the students were men in their mid-20s.

Gloucester is a fishing town of 30,000 that is encountering hardships with the decline of the fishing industry.

“This is a city in transition going through a hard economic time,” Ms. Kirk said. “There are cuts in economic programs, cuts in services, cuts in after-school programs, and they’re all impacting the social climate. We really let these kids down.”

“It’s the social environment these girls are coming from,” she added. “They think that a baby can give them love or give them status or fill an empty space in their life, and these girls are very, very young. And I think if you talk to any teenage mother who is caring for an infant, the road is not easy.”

The surge in teenage pregnancy has brought a heated debate over contraception and education in Gloucester, which is heavily Roman Catholic. The school clinic’s medical director and its chief nurse practitioner both resigned in May after the hospital that administers grants for the clinic opposed making contraceptives available to students.

The clinic does not distribute contraceptives, and Gloucester High School’s health curriculum has been cut for budget reasons, meaning there is no sex education, Ms. Kirk said.


Meanwhile, in addition to the 17 girls known to be pregnant, others continue to arrive at the clinic asking for pregnancy tests.

The school committee is now considering educational programs on teenage pregnancy and weighing whether the clinic should distribute contraceptives. Mayor Kirk has instructed her health director to compile information about the issue from the state, other agencies and independent experts. She said the committee hoped to have a policy regarding education, contraception and related services in place by the start of the next school year.

“It’s very complicated,” she said. “There are many layers, and I am insisting on a process where the school committee can explore all of the layers, get good information, find out what works in other communities and come to a good decision on behalf of our children.”

Greyroofoo 06-20-2008 01:00 AM

17 more babies on welfare, yay.

BishopMVP 06-20-2008 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo (Post 1756174)
17 more babies on welfare, yay.

They'll be alcoholics and poppin' OC's too if they're from the North Shore.

Eaglesfan27 06-20-2008 08:12 AM

“It’s the social environment these girls are coming from,” she added. “They think that a baby can give them love or give them status or fill an empty space in their life, and these girls are very, very young.


That line stood out to me. I'm amazed at how many teenager girls of all races and socioeconomic classes I treat who want to get pregnant.

Dr. Sak 06-20-2008 08:15 AM

I made a pact to get laid on prom night. Too bad my date didn't agree to the pact.

KWhit 06-20-2008 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27 (Post 1756278)
“It’s the social environment these girls are coming from,” she added. “They think that a baby can give them love or give them status or fill an empty space in their life, and these girls are very, very young.


That line stood out to me. I'm amazed at how many teenager girls of all races and socioeconomic classes I treat who want to get pregnant.


Give them status?!?!

The teens who got pregnant in my high school were totally ostracised and their status was shit.

Eaglesfan27 06-20-2008 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit (Post 1756284)
Give them status?!?!

The teens who got pregnant in my high school were totally ostracised and their status was shit.



Same here from when I was in high school. It's a different world now. Although most of the girls I referenced either had absentee parents, or felt their parents were absent.

Draft Dodger 06-20-2008 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bsak16 (Post 1756279)
I made a pact to get laid on prom night. Too bad my date didn't agree to the pact.


maybe he was very shy?

BrianD 06-20-2008 08:44 AM

I'd like to point out that the article talking about contraceptive education and the school handing out contraceptives is completely misplaced in this article. If the girls are trying to get pregnant and going to non-students to do it...schools giving out contraceptives won't help.

gstelmack 06-20-2008 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianD (Post 1756331)
I'd like to point out that the article talking about contraceptive education and the school handing out contraceptives is completely misplaced in this article. If the girls are trying to get pregnant and going to non-students to do it...schools giving out contraceptives won't help.


Yup. Someone's trying to get a political statement in there...

chesapeake 06-20-2008 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianD (Post 1756331)
I'd like to point out that the article talking about contraceptive education and the school handing out contraceptives is completely misplaced in this article. If the girls are trying to get pregnant and going to non-students to do it...schools giving out contraceptives won't help.


A credible sex education program does help.

Eaglesfan27 06-20-2008 09:02 AM

Not if the girls want to get pregnant.

BrianD 06-20-2008 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by chesapeake (Post 1756353)
A credible sex education program does help.


How far does sex education usually go? Clearly these girls knew what they were doing and they knew the ramifications of what they were doing. Is sex education going to teach these girls that a baby won't fix their self-esteem issues?

path12 06-20-2008 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianD (Post 1756363)
Is sex education going to teach these girls that a baby won't fix their self-esteem issues?


If it's done right, yes.

BrianD 06-20-2008 09:07 AM

That seems like a heavy burden for a gym teacher.

ArlingtonColt 06-20-2008 09:24 AM

I blame Jamie Lynn Spears

Dr. Sak 06-20-2008 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger (Post 1756301)
maybe he was very shy?


:(

rowech 06-20-2008 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlingtonColt (Post 1756390)
I blame Jamie Lynn Spears


You beat me to it. The press has glorified her to no end.

Maple Leafs 06-20-2008 09:32 AM

Quote:

BOSTON — At least 17 girls at the public high school in the seaside town of Gloucester, Mass., are expecting babies
At the time, it probably seemed like a good idea to have Tom Brady visit your high school.

MikeVic 06-20-2008 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlingtonColt (Post 1756390)
I blame Jamie Lynn Spears


Zoey 101.

molson 06-20-2008 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by chesapeake (Post 1756353)
A credible sex education program does help.


Or it might just help them pin down the best day of the month to do it.

But it might be helpful to follow the lives of these girls around for the next few years and incorporate the class.

All this assumes high school kids give a shit about classes at all, which they usually don't.

Dr. Sak 06-20-2008 09:38 AM

Something like this would never have happened at a school like Bayside or West Beverly.

MJ4H 06-20-2008 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bsak16 (Post 1756402)
Something like this would never have happened at a school like Bayside


it would've if i went there

Kodos 06-20-2008 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs (Post 1756397)
At the time, it probably seemed like a good idea to have Tom Brady visit your high school.


Looks like he still found his way to the endzone a few times in the offseason.

Pumpy Tudors 06-20-2008 09:50 AM

When I was 11, I made a pact with 17 high school girls to get them pregnant. For some reason, my mom didn't agree to the pact, and she took me out of school and homeschooled me from that point forward.

Dr. Sak 06-20-2008 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 1756418)
When I was 11, I made a pact with 17 high school girls to get them pregnant. For some reason, my mom didn't agree to the pact, and she took me out of school and homeschooled me from that point forward.


Then she decided to make it up to you when you were 21. She took you to a bar and had a male stripper dance in front of you!

Pumpy Tudors 06-20-2008 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bsak16 (Post 1756421)
Then she decided to make it up to you when you were 21. She took you to a bar and had a male stripper dance in front of you!

Whatever it is I think I see becomes a fluorescent green banana to me. :(

albionmoonlight 06-20-2008 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs (Post 1756397)
At the time, it probably seemed like a good idea to have Tom Brady visit your high school.


LOL

M GO BLUE!!! 06-20-2008 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit (Post 1756284)
Give them status?!?!

The teens who got pregnant in my high school were totally ostracised and their status was shit.


Well, that was in 1932... :D

Anthony 06-20-2008 11:02 AM

man, picturing all these young girls having sex and getting knocked up is hot. mmmmmm.

Anthony 06-20-2008 11:17 AM

btw:

1. crazy wild chick Angelina Jolie, who once carried a vile of her husband's blood around her neck, is considered humanitarian of the year, mom of the year.

2. gas prices are so high, people go to work to afford to buy gas to go to work.

3. Iran is building nukes to erradicate Israel and spark WW3.

4. Britney Spears' former backup dancer comes out of a divorce looking normal and wins custody of her kids while she pays him tens of thousands per month to support his lifestyle.

5. it's now fashionable for celebs to go to third world countries and adopt kids from impoverished nations and tote them around like an accessory.

6. a group of teen girls (whose hotness has yet to be determined) all agree to get pregnant to "improve their status in society".

gentlemen, it's the end of the world as we know it.


and i feel fine.

MrBug708 06-20-2008 11:21 AM

I think it would have been better if the father was all the same guy

JediKooter 06-20-2008 11:38 AM

They all should have to sign an agreement that since they wanted to get pregnant, that they waive any rights for the rest of their lives to any public assistance Federal and State.

Noop 06-20-2008 11:46 AM

Their parents should be jailed.

gkb 06-20-2008 11:48 AM

Speaking of sex ed, our gym teacher Mr. Gray (former army guy), was our instructor. He would hand out index cards for us to write anonymous questions on. This was a bad idea. Someone wrote, "What's a clitoris?" and when he read it, we all snickered like high school students do. He turned red, got mad, and punched a hole in the desk...breaking several bones in his hand. I never did learn what a clitoris was...my wife is sad.

Maybe this should have gone into the TMI thread.

MikeVic 06-20-2008 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by gkb (Post 1756533)
Speaking of sex ed, our gym teacher Mr. Gray (former army guy), was our instructor. He would hand out index cards for us to write anonymous questions on. This was a bad idea. Someone wrote, "What's a clitoris?" and when he read it, we all snickered like high school students do. He turned red, got mad, and punched a hole in the desk...breaking several bones in his hand. I never did learn what a clitoris was...my wife is sad.

Maybe this should have gone into the TMI thread.


We had a similar thing at my school. I don't think it's a bad idea, just the gym teacher did a horrible job handling the question.

cuervo72 06-20-2008 12:21 PM

We did that in elementary school, and I asked something along the lines of "if a man gets his penis blown off, how does he pee?" I pretty much knew how babies were made at that point, but THIS I did not know (my dad I think had recently mentioned someone he knew who had this happen in Vietnam). I believe my question was the only one not answered.

MikeVic 06-20-2008 12:23 PM

I think we also had index cards to write down what we liked most about the opposite sex. That was odd.

TwinCitiesFan 06-20-2008 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bsak16 (Post 1756402)
Something like this would never have happened at a school like Bayside or West Beverly.


Instead they would have all gotten implants at the same time.

astrosfan64 06-20-2008 12:37 PM

These girls should be encouraged to get an abortion, or at least have that presented to them as an option. If their parents had any sense they would encourage it also.

Sigh....

Dr. Sak 06-20-2008 12:38 PM

In before the lock...

Galaxy 06-20-2008 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by astrosfan64 (Post 1756581)
These girls should be encouraged to get an abortion, or at least have that presented to them as an option. If their parents had any sense they would encourage it also.

Sigh....


And this thread is done....

astrosfan64 06-20-2008 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 1756583)
And this thread is done....


Why?

I don't get it.

Lorena 06-20-2008 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bsak16 (Post 1756582)
In before the lock...


:+1:

astrosfan64 06-20-2008 12:47 PM

Ok, I see the chance to have a discussion on this topic is zero. So, I'll move on. Carry on making fun of the prego teen girls, whose kids we have to pay for over the next 18+ years.

Yeah thats funny, carry on.

Autumn 06-20-2008 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs (Post 1756397)
At the time, it probably seemed like a good idea to have Tom Brady visit your high school.


FTW!

rkmsuf 06-20-2008 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 1756508)
I think it would have been better if the father was all the same guy


And thus was born an army of little bounty hunters.

Pumpy Tudors 06-20-2008 01:23 PM

One of the following things is not true:

1. I have black hair.
2. I was born in New Orleans, Louisiana.
3. I used to work for a coal mining company.
4. I'm married.
5. I read a discussion on an Internet message board about abortion, and it didn't go down in flames.

Pumpy Tudors 06-20-2008 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf (Post 1756618)
And thus was born an army of little bounty hunters.

saddle up tex

Autumn 06-20-2008 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit (Post 1756284)
Give them status?!?!

The teens who got pregnant in my high school were totally ostracised and their status was shit.


But that's a big reason behind the rise of teen pregnancy. While it was the same when and where I was brought up, it's increasingly not true, particularly in hard-hit socioeconomic areas. When the likelihood of productive, employed adulthoods gets lower and lower, people find their 'status' and their fulfillment through other means.

Also note they did this as a group, probably to prevent that fear of being ostracized. Yeah, these girls made a bunch of really stupid decisions, but not being their parents we should probably wonder about what sort of community they're growing up in that this would seem an appealing path to them.


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