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flere-imsaho 10-23-2008 02:13 PM

Who did you vote for in the U.S. Presidential Election?
 
Poll to follow.

With early voting underway, I thought it might be fun to start recording how we all ended up voting. We'll have to rely on the honor system for people to not participate in the poll if they didn't (or can't) vote.

Additional commentary on how voting went for you this year (long lines, challenges, bad machines, difficult paper ballots, etc...) would be great as well.

Kodos 10-23-2008 02:33 PM

Oh sure. Steal my FOFC tracking poll's thunder!

flere-imsaho 10-23-2008 02:40 PM

:p

molson 10-23-2008 02:47 PM

Shit that's a lot of candidates.

Only 5 on the ballot in Idaho.

I'm still undecided.

sterlingice 10-23-2008 02:50 PM

Seriously, there's a Boston Tea Party?

SI

molson 10-23-2008 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 1868867)
Seriously, there's a Boston Tea Party?

SI


I think they're Libertarians too hard core for the Libertarian Party

"The Boston Tea Party supports reducing the size, scope and power of government at all levels and on all issues, and opposes increasing the size, scope and power of government at any level, for any purpose."

JeeberD 10-23-2008 02:53 PM

There were only three parties listed on my ballot...Repub, Dem, and Lib.

It was very quick and easy for me. Was in and out in about 15 minutes, had the the choice of paper ballot or electronic voting, and I went electronic. Read the directions over really quickly, and it was very easy to understand and use.

lordscarlet 10-23-2008 02:55 PM

I need to figure out what third party candidates are on the D.C. ballot.

gottimd 10-23-2008 02:55 PM

How do you just randomly form a party and get on the ticket? Can I be put on the ticket as the "Imaginary Party" and its me and my couch cushion?

Do you need a certain amount of signatures on a petition or something?

lordscarlet 10-23-2008 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gottimd (Post 1868873)
How do you just randomly form a party and get on the ticket? Can I be put on the ticket as the "Imaginary Party" and its me and my couch cushion?

Do you need a certain amount of signatures on a petition or something?


I know that at Screen on the Green this summer (the original Superman, fwiw) there was a guy going around asking for signatures to petition for Ralph Nader to be on the D.C. ballot. For what its worth, I signed it. Not because of any support for Nader, but because I think there should be more than two choices.

Lathum 10-23-2008 03:00 PM

just my .02 but I think an "I didnt vote" option would make this poll more interesting.

cartman 10-23-2008 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gottimd (Post 1868873)
How do you just randomly form a party and get on the ticket? Can I be put on the ticket as the "Imaginary Party" and its me and my couch cushion?

Do you need a certain amount of signatures on a petition or something?


Each state has their own requirements to get on the ballot. That's why you don't see all of the tickets listed above on all ballots.

Some states are easier than others. Some states require you to pay a fee and register even if you just want to be a write-in candidate.

JeeberD 10-23-2008 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1868877)
just my .02 but I think an "I didnt vote" option would make this poll more interesting.


If flere wants me to do so, I'll add that on...

Lathum 10-23-2008 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD (Post 1868882)
If flere wants me to do so, I'll add that on...


lets take a poll abouut it!

GrantDawg 10-23-2008 03:20 PM

If you are not voting the Trout party, then blame yourself for four more years of troutless government!

flere-imsaho 10-23-2008 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD (Post 1868882)
If flere wants me to do so, I'll add that on...


That's a good idea - go for it! :D

flere-imsaho 10-23-2008 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 1868865)
Shit that's a lot of candidates.


Yep. Of course not all are on every state's ballot. For simplicity's sake I just listed the ones I found on wikipedia's article on the election.

JeeberD 10-23-2008 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 1868892)
That's a good idea - go for it! :D


Done

lordscarlet 10-23-2008 03:43 PM

We have:

McCain/Palin
Obama/Biden
Nader/Gonzalez
McKinney/Clemente (labeled as "Statehood Green", rather than "Green")

GrantDawg 10-23-2008 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordscarlet (Post 1868911)
We have:

McCain/Palin
Obama/Biden
Nader/Gonzalez
McKinney/Clemente (labeled as "Statehood Green", rather than "Green")



"Statehood Green." *cough..suck-ups..cough*

flere-imsaho 10-23-2008 03:58 PM

Trout Part is neck-and-neck with McCain/Palin.

GrantDawg 10-23-2008 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 1868922)
Trout Part is neck-and-neck with McCain/Palin.



Trout's a better option.

st.cronin 10-23-2008 04:06 PM

Carol Miller For Congress - About Carol Miller

gottimd 10-23-2008 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1868930)


She's a looker!

Greyroofoo 10-23-2008 04:11 PM

I didn't know there were so many socialist parties.

They should be aware that they probably that they are diluting the socialist vote.

lordscarlet 10-23-2008 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 1868916)
"Statehood Green." *cough..suck-ups..cough*


Indeed. :) I noted that for the benefit of others making of me/DC.

It is particularly annoying because there is a "Statehood Green" party, but this is the "Green" candidate. I don't follow either, but I doubt the Green party campaigns on a platform of DC statehood. :) (which we have established I am not campaigning for and I'm not trying to derail this thread with talk of it)

I missed the September primaries, so all of the selections have pretty much been made for me. I didn't hit up the Presidential Primary, though.

Pumpy Tudors 10-23-2008 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gottimd (Post 1868932)
She's a looker!

Yeah, I would tear her up.

Lorena 10-23-2008 05:13 PM

I voted for Pumpy's cousin Tanya

Anthony 10-23-2008 05:24 PM

i voted for Pumpy's balls and Cringer's wife's boobies as the VP.

fantom1979 10-23-2008 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo (Post 1868933)
I didn't know there were so many socialist parties.

They should be aware that they probably that they are diluting the socialist vote.


Obama is going to be pissed :)

cartman 10-23-2008 07:14 PM

It's Eugene V. Debs all over again!

Buccaneer 10-23-2008 07:35 PM

Nice job on the Trout ticket - taking our two most extremists. I can't imagine what FOFC discussions would have been like the past few months if they had been here.

Lathum 10-23-2008 07:44 PM

this poll confirms what I have been thinking for a while. McCain is gonna get killed

JediKooter 10-23-2008 07:51 PM

I think flere is trying to secretly sway the voting towards Obama/Biden. If you notice, that's the only ticket that has it's font in italics... ;)

Kodos 10-23-2008 07:56 PM

You realize that just shows what YOU voted for, right? ;)

JediKooter 10-23-2008 08:02 PM

Sonofa.........

Can I get my "New to teh interwebs" badge?

Anthony 10-23-2008 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JediKooter (Post 1869083)
Sonofa.........

Can I get my "New to teh interwebs" badge?


In other news, Clay Aiken is gay apparently.


ColtCrazy 10-23-2008 09:16 PM

I'm shocked someone hasn't started a Jedi ticket yet.

Lorena 10-23-2008 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 1868988)
i voted for Pumpy's balls and Cringer's wife's boobies as the VP.


Hah, you edited your post, how cute.

Apathetic Lurker 10-24-2008 12:39 AM

Where the hell is Webb and his damn reds?

Mizzou B-ball fan 10-24-2008 07:35 AM

Any word on what the margin of error is on the FOFC polling thread? I'd probably put the over/under at +/- 15%.

sterlingice 10-24-2008 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 1869417)
Any word on what the margin of error is on the FOFC polling thread? I'd probably put the over/under at +/- 15%.


I don't think you can accurately make one because the poll is self-selecting. In "the real world", polls are based on the assumption that you are choosing people at random and that's why they're not bad as predictors.

Now, getting into the wayback machine and remembering my statistics class in college, I'll toss out the theory behind polls and why they're decently accurate but how you have outliers and all that. If you choose people blindly and choose a decently large enough sample, you'll get pretty accurate results- typically, something like +-3% and a 95% confidence interval is pretty much standard.

But there are a couple of "definitions" there to explain- one, large enough is actually kindof small, 3% MOE only takes about 1000 people. And then you hear the usual rhetoric of "well, it's just 1000 people- there are millions of voters; it's not accurate". Well, yes and no- an illustration and then a definition below show why that line of reasoning can be true but is usually just denial by whoever said it. If they're randomly chosen, then that thousand people can usually predict how the larger group will vote. It's kindof like, if you flip a coin 100 times, you know the odds are 50/50 but you won't get 50/50 every time you flip a coin 100 times. However, you'll get close to it almost every time.

And these ideas of "close to it" and "almost every time" are what polls are based on. The idea of a poll is not to correctly guess the percentage as that would take an insanely large sample size. Again, the issue of "you're just polling 1000 people to get the votes of millions". However, what something like 1050 random votes get you are a 95% chance to be within +-3 points of the result. That's not a bad statistical game- you can be really close (within 3 points) all but 5% of the time.

That other 5% of the time, tho, your sample is pretty badly not representative and is inaccurate- those are your outliers. Perhaps you randomly called a majority of GOP members when you're polling San Francisco or the only group of farmers in Kansas who vote Democrat. It can happen. However, with all the other polls out there in the Presidential race, you can see those pretty quickly because it looks different than the others.

In Presidential polls, things can be a bit skewed because pollsters have decided it's more accurate to weigh some groups more than others (i.e. they'll call 35% Dem, 30% GOP, and 35% Indep since that is what the registered voting makeup is). That makes it less random but more of an "educated guess", I guess. And, while one firm may be Dem leaning and another GOP leaning, and that may bias them slightly, what they really want is to be the most accurate so they can get the more lucrative contract next election.

SI

Passacaglia 10-24-2008 08:04 AM

How can people say "I didn't vote" at this point, since election day hasn't happened yet? Are they not registered, are they planning to change their answer when they do vote, or is this poll only supposed to be for early voters?

Mizzou B-ball fan 10-24-2008 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1869445)
How can people say "I didn't vote" at this point, since election day hasn't happened yet? Are they not registered, are they planning to change their answer when they do vote, or is this poll only supposed to be for early voters?


My assumption is that they are not registered and/or they already know they aren't going to vote no matter what happens.

Mizzou B-ball fan 10-24-2008 08:07 AM

Just to be clear SI, I had no idea that anyone would bother going into that much detail over the sampling error margin of a message board poll. But kudos to you anyway. :D

Subby 10-24-2008 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 1869447)
My assumption is that they are not registered and/or they already know they aren't going to vote no matter what happens.

They hate America.

sterlingice 10-24-2008 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 1869449)
Just to be clear SI, I had no idea that anyone would bother going into that much detail over the sampling error margin of a message board poll. But kudos to you anyway. :D


Actually, I figured it needed to be pointed out since I've seen the "it's a poll, it's not accurate" post quite a few times in the McCain/Obama thread. And that drives me nuts- not it's not always accurate, but it is accurate a lot more often than not. Hell, I used to think that way, then had to work through the damn proofs that show otherwise ;)

SI

Mizzou B-ball fan 10-24-2008 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subby (Post 1869451)
They hate America.


No, they just want to have the ability to bitch about everything when something goes wrong in politics while deflecting blame since they didn't vote for any of the politicians making the decision. :)

GrantDawg 10-24-2008 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subby (Post 1869451)
They hate America.



No, no, no. If they hated America, they'd vote Democrat. Get it straight. :D

Passacaglia 10-24-2008 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2 (Post 1869444)
I doubt the Colonel/Bigglesworth ticket draws as much support nationally.


I guess that means the margin of error is 11.76%.


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