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LastWhiteSoxFanStanding 10-24-2008 11:09 AM

New York Times Endorsements for president since 1860
 
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...4-endorse.html

Interesting link, haven't looked at it super close but the one WTF moment to me was the endorsement of Wendell Wilkie over FDR in 1940.

wade moore 10-24-2008 11:12 AM

Great fodder for the folks that love to talk about how biased the NY Times is.

molson 10-24-2008 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore (Post 1869670)
Great fodder for the folks that love to talk about how biased the NY Times is.


Carter twice then Mondale and Dukakis- you'd almost think the times is a liberal paper.

Greyroofoo 10-24-2008 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2 (Post 1869676)
Is it? They haven't endorsed a R in over 50 years.


Has there been a R worth endorsing in the last 50 years?

MikeVic 10-24-2008 11:29 AM

So FDR was President for four terms? I guess the two term max wasn't always in place?

JeeberD 10-24-2008 11:30 AM

Yup, it was put into place after he died...

SackAttack 10-24-2008 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic (Post 1869693)
So FDR was President for four terms? I guess the two term max wasn't always in place?


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Originally Posted by JeeberD (Post 1869695)
Yup, it was put into place after he died...


More specifically, it was put into place *because* of him. George Washington set the informal standard by declining to serve more than two terms, and no President after him challenged that, even though nothing said they couldn't. It was a deferential thing.

Then FDR ran for office four times and did some other things that kind of pissed Congress off, like threatening to pack the Supreme Court if he didn't get his way on some of the New Deal bills, and they were happy to slam that barn door shut so that they didn't have to go through that again.

Radii 10-24-2008 11:52 AM

Heh, check out the quote from the 1964 endorsement of Johnson vs Goldwater:

"Rarely in modern times and never in recent years has there been a campaign in which the issues facing the nation have been so inadequately discussed by the two leading candidates; rarely has a campaign added so little to public knowledge; rarely has its end been so welcome."

Ouch!

Toddzilla 10-24-2008 11:56 AM

And no other president before him sought office after two terms in deference to George Washington, who declined to run for a third term.

Tigercat 10-24-2008 12:06 PM

Those nutjobs, advocating throwing one's vote away with an independent party in 1896.

I like that one of the supporting reasons for voting for Lincoln was his "manliness."

Hurst2112 10-24-2008 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic (Post 1869693)
So FDR was President for four terms? I guess the two term max wasn't always in place?


I was about to persecute your grade school teachers for not doing their job. Then I realized you were from Canada. :D

Hurst2112 10-24-2008 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo (Post 1869679)
Has there been a R worth endorsing in the last 50 years?




\m/

Mustang 10-24-2008 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigercat (Post 1869739)
I like that one of the supporting reasons for voting for Lincoln was his "manliness."


Probably as good a reason as most people give nowadays to vote for a particular candidate

bryce 10-24-2008 12:13 PM

I'd be interested to see this for other papers as well. The Dallas paper just endorsed McCain, which shocked me. Even though it's in Texas, the DMN seems pretty liberal to me (relative to complete neutrality, if not other papers - as a paper, it obviously is going to lean left, though it may not lean left as much as other papers.)

ISiddiqui 10-24-2008 12:19 PM

Interestingly it seemed one of the reasons the Times backed Wilkie (in addition to they thought his fiscal policy was saner) was because they abhored Roosevelt's running for a 3rd team and messing with the tradition.

GrantDawg 10-24-2008 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigercat (Post 1869739)
Those nutjobs, advocating throwing one's vote away with an independent party in 1896.

I like that one of the supporting reasons for voting for Lincoln was his "manliness."



That's what his boyfriend liked about him, too.

Tigercat 10-24-2008 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 1869764)
That's what his boyfriend liked about him, too.


Ha, hey, if its one thing I know about history, the further back you go the more only the manliest of men are willing to indulge on some man on man lovin'.

Alan T 10-24-2008 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bryce (Post 1869751)
I'd be interested to see this for other papers as well. The Dallas paper just endorsed McCain, which shocked me. Even though it's in Texas, the DMN seems pretty liberal to me (relative to complete neutrality, if not other papers - as a paper, it obviously is going to lean left, though it may not lean left as much as other papers.)


In my time in Dallas, the Dallas morning news usually was a hair to the right of most of my feelings on several things. I don't see Mccain's endorsement as a suprise here at all, just the same as I don't see Obama's endorsement by Chicago or New York or Boston papers as a suprise. (I assume Boston Globe has endorsed Obama, if not they will eventually)

BishopMVP 10-24-2008 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 1869675)
Carter twice then Mondale and Dukakis- you'd almost think the times is a liberal paper.

Yeah, but look at how many Republicans they've endorsed - Lincoln, Ulysses, Hayes, Garfield, McKinley, Taft, Wilkie, Dewey and Ike.

GrantDawg 10-24-2008 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 1869808)
Yeah, but look at how many Republicans they've endorsed - Lincoln, Ulysses, Hayes, Garfield, McKinley, Taft, Wilkie, Dewey and Ike.



Eh, what a bunch of RINO's. :)

Fidatelo 10-24-2008 01:37 PM

Why is it ok for newspapers to endorse candidates? Shouldn't they just be reporting what they see and then throwing in some Op Ed pieces if they feel a need to provide opinion?

LastWhiteSoxFanStanding 10-24-2008 01:48 PM

Just wanted to point out that Teddy Roosevelt ran for a third term in 1912 since he disliked Taft so much. He ran under the famed Bullmoose party.

Roosevelt pulled many of the moderate republicans to form this party and in my opinion, though many could disagree, this was the beginning of the Republican party having a much more conservative ideology.

MikeVic 10-24-2008 02:01 PM

There was one year listed there (forgot which, since I looked earlier today) where a Democrat guy beat two Republicans? What's that all about? How can you have two candidates from the same party?

kserra 10-24-2008 02:10 PM

from 68 and 72... pretty interesting...

68--on Spiro and the wisdom of appointing him... (he was outside of watergate, but rather dirty on his own doing... but hey, a Michigan boy benefited from this...)... and then 72-- Nixon's lack of principle...

I'm sure they messed up as well, but these two comments seem the most interesting to me...

albionmoonlight 10-24-2008 02:21 PM

Re: Bill Clinton in 1996:

"The Presidency he once dreamed is still within his reach if he brings the requsite integrity to the next four years."

Heh.

Vegas Vic 10-24-2008 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LastWhiteSoxFanStanding (Post 1869667)
Interesting link, haven't looked at it super close but the one WTF moment to me was the endorsement of Wendell Wilkie over FDR in 1940.


It's hard to believe, but Wilkie was someone who actually had less experience than Obama.

albionmoonlight 10-24-2008 02:32 PM

When I was learning to drive, my Grandma told me something akin to "You won't know about Wendel Wilkie; he ran for President years ago. But one thing I remember about him is that he didn't drive because he said that he would get to distracted on the road." And then she would emphasize that I should not get distracted while driving.

So I guess what I mean is, Wendel Wilkie saved my life, so I think that the NYT was right to endorse him.

ISiddiqui 10-24-2008 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LastWhiteSoxFanStanding (Post 1869853)
Just wanted to point out that Teddy Roosevelt ran for a third term in 1912 since he disliked Taft so much. He ran under the famed Bullmoose party.

Roosevelt pulled many of the moderate republicans to form this party and in my opinion, though many could disagree, this was the beginning of the Republican party having a much more conservative ideology.


The moderates rejoined the Republican Party soon afterwards. People tend to forget this, but Hoover, in addition to being somewhat of a hero for his actions during and after World War 1 in providing humanitarian aid, was a moderate.

Dutch 10-24-2008 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas Vic (Post 1869874)
It's hard to believe, but Wilkie was someone who actually had less experience than Obama.


Experience is only important if you are running for vice-president.

Subby 10-24-2008 03:06 PM

Most of those guys didn't have experience being President.

Aylmar 10-24-2008 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 1869718)
More specifically, it was put into place *because* of him. George Washington set the informal standard by declining to serve more than two terms, and no President after him challenged that, even though nothing said they couldn't. It was a deferential thing.

Then FDR ran for office four times and did some other things that kind of pissed Congress off, like threatening to pack the Supreme Court if he didn't get his way on some of the New Deal bills, and they were happy to slam that barn door shut so that they didn't have to go through that again.


And the Republicans, by pushing through the 22nd Amendment, shot themselves in the foot, IMO. They have had two presidents since (Eisenhower and Reagan) who would have cruised to third (and possibly even fourth) terms in office.

Wolfpack 10-24-2008 10:03 PM

Reagan, yeah, I could see a third term. A fourth would be out since his Alzheimer's disclosure was in the early 90s.

However, I don't think Eisenhower would have been an obvious winner in the 1960 election. His late presidency was weighed down by the U-2 shootdown and subsequent buttwhipping by Khrushchev on the world stage in 1960. It's very possible that such an incident might've ruined his change at a third term since the incident happened in the months leading up to the election.

fantom1979 10-24-2008 10:19 PM

Eisenhower left office with an approval rating in the high 50's. I believe that only one sitting president has lost an election with an approval rating above 50% (Bush Sr.).

Front Office Midget 10-24-2008 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas Vic (Post 1869874)
It's hard to believe, but Wilkie was someone who actually had less experience than Obama.


Couldn't the same be said about Abraham Lincoln?


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