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NFL Week 17: It's the Final Countdown...
Yeah, somewhat not good form by starting it before the Monday game, but they announced some Week 17 game time changes under the flex plan.
As expected, the Broncos-Chargers "Winner Takes the AFC West" game will be the Sunday Night game at 8:15 The Pats-Bills game will be at 1. If they win, they will be huddled around the TV afterwards as both games that can get them into the playoffs have been moved to 4:15 starts. The Jets At the Dolphins will start at 4:15... if the Pats lose, this becomes a "Winner takes the AFC East" game. The Jaguars at the Ravens will also be at 4:15, Baltimore makes the playoffs with a win. On the NFC side: Oakland @ Tampa Bay is at 1. Tampa Bay needs to win to have any shot. A Tampa win eliminates the Eagles. If the Bucs LOSE, however, then the Cowboys-Eagles (4:15) game is Winner Make the Playoffs. If the Bucs win, then the Cowboys need a win to get put in. |
Lions at Packers. Packers probably lose, just to top off our great season which I am sure will also see us lose to the Bears tonight.
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You can't start this thread, with this title, and not include this.
YouTube - Europe - The Final Countdown (Live) You're welcome |
 Movie >>> Europe |
I have no idea which Cowboys team is going to show up...
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The crappy one? :)
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Still looking at playoff scenarios. I think I'm going to wait for MNF. That AFC picture was pretty clear and easy to figure out, but that NFC picture... Dallas, Tampa Bay, Minnesota, Chicago and Philadelphia could setup for a couple of freak scenarios... It took a little bit too much time so far to make it worth the effort. ;)
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AFC playoffs clinch scenarios:
Miami Dolphins * clinch AFC East with win (they secured tie-breakers over New England) * clinch AFC East with tie + New England loss/tie * clinch wild card with tie + Baltimore loss New England Patriots * clinch AFC East with win + Miami loss/tie * clinch AFC East with tie + Miami loss * clinch wild card with win + Miami win + Baltimore loss/tie * clinch wild card with tie + Miami win/tie + Baltimore loss New York Jets * clinch AFC East with win + New England loss * clinch wild card with win + New England win/tie + Baltimore loss Pittsburgh Steelers * clinched bye week as 2nd seed Baltimore Ravens * clinch wild card with win * clinch wild card with tie + either Miami or New England loss/tie * clinch wild card with New England loss (in this scenario either Miami finished 2nd (over whom the Ravens have head to head tie-breakers) or the Patriots) Tennessee Titans * clinched home field advantage Indianapolis Colts * clinched wild card and play at AFC West winner Denver Broncos * clinch AFC West with win/tie (vs San Diego) San Diego Chargers * clinch AFC West with win (over Denver) |
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Browns (49) (Browns get negative 49 because the scoreboard couldn't go any higher) |
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Hopefully the crappy one. Rooting for the Cowboys to lose so the Lions get a better draft pick is all I have left anymore really. Go Eagles! |
Finally I'll get to watch a Dolphins game on TV. :)
Normally we go back to Racine on the 28th from up north, but this year we're heading back on the 29th so I can watch the Dolphins on the 28th. I'll be geeked out in my Dolphins gear and cheering us on to a hopeful AFC East title!!! |
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Starters will not play past the first quarter, meaningless game. Steelers 997 Browns (42) |
NFC Playoffs scenarios
New York Giants * clinched home field advantage Dallas Cowboys * clinch wild card with win * clinch wild card with tie + Tampa Bay loss + Chicago or Minnesota tie * clinch wild card with tie + Tampa Bay tie + Chicago or Minnesota loss (the last two scenarios are not cummulative because of Tampa Bay winning a three-way tie at 9-6-1 all) Philadelphia Eagles * clinch wild card with win + Tampa Bay loss + Chicago or Minnesota loss (Philadelphia has losing tie-breakers to all three wild card rivals) Minnesota Vikins * clinch NFC North with win * clinch NFC North with tie + Chicago loss/tie * clinch NFC North with loss + Chicago loss * clinch wild card with tie + Chicago win + Philadelphia win + Tampa Bay loss (Minnesota only goes into the wild card hunt with a tie and can only take it if they're only tied to Philadelphia) Chicago Bears * clinch NFC North with win + Minnesota loss/tie * clinch NFC North with tie + Minnesota loss * clinch wild card with win + Minnesota win + Dallas loss/tie + Tampa Bay loss/tie * clinch wild card with tie + Minnesota win/tie + Philadelphia win + Tampa Bay loss/tie (Chicago only wins the division by doing better than Minnesota; the wild card is only their's if they end up untied (unless it's just Atlanta), or just tied with Philadelphia) Carolina Panthers * clinched wild card * clinch NFC South with win/tie or Atlanta loss/tie Atlanta Falcons * clinched wild card * clinch NFC South with win + Carolina loss (fall back to 6th seeds if they lose and Dallas wins) Tampa Bay Buccaneers * clinch wild card with win + Dallas loss/tie * clinch wild card with tie + Dallas tie + Minnesota tie +Chicago win * clinch wild card with tie + Dallas tie + Minnesota win +Chicago tie * clinch wild card with tie + Philadelphia win + Minnesota or Chicago loss/tie (if 10-6, they have tie-breakers over Chicago, but not over Dallas; if 9-6-1, they have tie-breakers in all 3-way ties, plus in a 2-way tie with Philadelphia) Arizona Cardinals * clinched NFC West as 4th seed |
I wonder if Brett will be giving the Lions any advice again.
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Lousy Eagles, the NFC playoff picture could have been much clearer if they beat Washington last week.
Sadly we probably get more Andy "isn't the running game against the rules" Reid as the excuse will be "We came so close and a couple of breaks would have gotten us in". (Sorry, still pissed off from that loss. I have never been so angry at a loss before in my life.) |
I'm just glad so many teams have playoff hopes still. It will make this last week of games a lot of fun to watch.
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I fear this scenario.
Tampa beats Oakland. Oakland stinks and Tampa has the playoffs in their sights. That game is over before the Eagles/Cowboys game, so the Eagles are deflated and go out and play spiritless game and the Cowboys win. That would be sad. |
Here's another way to look at the entire NFL's playoffs scenarios. Early games are listed before late games, with the exception for the Dallas Cowboys, where early results only become interesting if the game against Philadelphia ends up tied.
Arizona Cardinals Arizona win/loss/tie => win division Atlanta Falcons Atlanta win + Carolina loss => bye week Atlanta win + Carolina win/tie => wild card, play at Arizona Atlanta tie => wild card, play at Arizona Atlanta loss + Dallas loss/tie => wild card, play at Arizona Atlanta loss + Dallas win => wild card, play at NFC North champion Baltimore Ravens New England loss => wild card New England tie + Baltimore win/tie => wild card New England tie + Baltimore loss => no playoffs New England win + Baltimore win => wild card New England win + Baltimore tie + Miami loss/tie => wild card New England win + Baltimore tie + Miami win => no playoffs New England win + Baltimore loss => no playoffs Carolina Panthers Carolina win/tie => bye week Carolina loss + Atlanta loss/tie => bye week Carolina loss + Atlanta win => wild card, play at Arizona Chicago Bears Chicago win + Minnesota loss/tie => win division Chicago win + Minnesota win + Tampa Bay loss/tie + Philadelphia win/tie => wild card Chicago win + Minnesota win + Tampa Bay win => no playoffs Chicago tie + Minnesota loss => win division Chicago tie + Minnesota tie + Tampa Bay loss + Philadelphia win => wild card Chicago tie + Minnesota tie + Tampa Bay win/tie + Philadelphia win => no playoffs Chicago tie + Minnesota tie + Philadelphia loss/tie => no playoffs Chicago loss => no playoffs Dallas Cowboys Dallas win + Atlanta loss => wild card, pay at Arizona Dallas win + Atlanta win/tie => wild card, play at NFC North champion Dallas tie + Tampa Bay loss + Chicago loss/tie => wild card Dallas tie + Tampa Bay loss + Chicago win + Minnesota loss/tie => wild card Dallas tie + Tampa Bay loss + Chicago win + Minnesota win => no playoffs Dallas tie + Tampa Bay tie + Chicago loss => wild card Dallas tie + Tampa Bay tie + Chicago tie + Minnesota loss => wild card Dallas tie + Tampa Bay tie + Chicago tie + Minnesota win/tie => no playoffs Dallas tie + Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win + Minnesota loss => wild card Dallas tie + Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win + Minnesota win/tie => no playoffs Dallas tie + Tampa Bay win => no playoffs Dallas loss => no playoffs Denver Broncos win/tie => win division loss => miss playoffs Indianapolis Colts win/loss/tie => wild card, play at AFC West champion Miami Dolphins New England loss/tie + Miami win/tie => win division New England loss/tie + Miami loss => no playoffs New England win + Miami win => win division New England win + Miami tie + Baltimore loss => wild card New England win + Miami tie + Baltimore win/tie => no playoffs New England win + Miami loss => no playoffs Minnesota Vikins Minnesota win => win division Minnesota tie + Chicago loss/tie => win division Minnesota tie + Chicago win + Tampa Bay loss + Philadelphia win => wild card Minnesota tie + Chicago win + Tampa Bay loss + Dallas win/tie => no playoffs Minnesota tie + Chicago win + Tampa Bay win/tie => no playoffs Minnesota loss + Chicago loss => win division Minnesota loss + Chicago win/tie => no playoffs New England Patriots New England win + Miami loss/tie => win division New England win + Miami win + Baltimore loss/tie => wild card New England win + Miami win + Baltimore win => no playoffs New England tie + Miami loss => win division New England tie + Miami win/tie + Baltimore loss => wild card New England tie + Miami win/tie + Baltimore win/tie => no playoffs New England loss => no playoffs New York Giants NY Giants win/loss/tie => home field advantage New York Jets New England loss + NY Jets win => win division New England loss + NY Jets tie/loss => no playoffs New England win/tie + NY Jets win + Baltimore loss => wild card New England win/tie + NY Jets win + Baltimore win/tie => no playoffs New England win/tie + NY Jets tie/loss => no playoffs Philadelphia Eagles Tampa Bay win/tie => no playoffs Tampa Bay loss + Chicago win/tie + Minnesota win/tie => no playoffs Tampa Bay loss + Chicago win/tie + Minnesota loss + Philadelphia win => wild card Tampa Bay loss + Chicago win/tie + Minnesota loss + Philadelphia loss/tie => no playoffs Tampa Bay loss + Chicago loss + Philadelphia win => wild card Tampa Bay loss + Chicago loss + Philadelphia loss/tie => no playoffs Pittsburgh Steelers Pittsburgh win/loss/tie => bye week San Diego Chargers San Diego win => win division San Diego loss/tie => miss playoffs Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tampa Bay win + Dallas loss/tie => wild card Tampa Bay win + Dallas win => no playoffs Tampa Bay tie + Chicago loss + Philadelphia win => wild card Tampa Bay tie + Chicago loss + Dallas win => no playoffs Tampa Bay tie + Chicago tie + Minnesota loss + Philadelphia win => wild card Tampa Bay tie + Chicago tie + Minnesota loss + Dallas win => no playoffs Tampa Bay tie + Chicago tie + Minnesota win/tie + Philadelphia win/tie => wild card Tampa Bay tie + Chicago tie + Minnesota win/tie + Dallas win => no playoffs Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win + Minnesota loss + Philadelphia win => wild card Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win + Minnesota tie + Philadelphia win/tie => wild card Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win + Minnesota tie + Dallas win => no playoffs Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win + Minnesota win => no playoffs Tampa Bay loss => no playoffs Tennessee Titans win/loss/tie => home field advantage |
Bears are probably screwed because I doubt the Giants play many starters, and no way is Jacobs seeing much action, if any.
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Bah. A much better version. YouTube - The Final Countdown... LIVE! |
ESPN - Wes Welker of New England Patriots fined $10K by NFL
"The NFL told the newspaper that Welker was fined for "unsportsmanlike conduct for participation in an illegal demonstration by going to the ground."" ... ugh. A 15 yard penalty is bad enough, but a $10,000 fine for making a snow angel? |
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Bloody Stupid, that's what it is. BTW, I know this is not going to be warmly received, but I really think Belichick should get the Coach of the Year award. Not just for losing Brady, but here's a stat for you. Only three teams have more players with at least one start in the NFL, then the Patriots (Top 5 teams ranked by number of starters and their record) 1. Seattle Seahawks (46) (4-11) T2. Cincinatti Bengals (45) (3-11-1) T2. Detroit Lions (45) (0-15) T4. New England Patriots (42) (10-5) T4. New Orleans Saints (42) 8-7 |
My head hurts
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:lol: :lol: :lol: The rules are pretty straight forward where that is concerned. You go to the ground to celebrate you get fined. There is no "snow angel" clause. He could have gone to the sideline and done that all he wanted but not in the field of play. |
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Here's a kleenex, go cry the river elsewhere... :devil: |
MIJB, how the heck do you come up with all those scenarios? What are you using to generate these? That's awesome.
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How bout I attach some barbwire to it, and shove it where the (christmas season censoring. Tis the season to be jolly and all that crap) Where was I crying. I was just saying that Belichick had a better year then most would expect, with injuries that would have hurt a lot more teams worse :P |
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I use nothing but Notepad (to write in), some website's standings and schedules (used Yahoo!'s as that site loads relatively fast on my old laptop, compared to NFL's). It helps if the standings include divisional and intraconference records, because they come to play at times. That and my own brain to forsee possible scenarios. The whole breakdown making is something I like doing and have built quite the experience with it through FOF MP leagues. It helped me in finding tricks to quickly figure out common games tie-breakers and seeing other trends. Sometimes I write out stuff, but having built experience really helped to be able to do it relatively quickly. If the NFL would get rid of ties, that would make things a bit easier. Although, this season the Eagles tied game and their week 17 clash with Dallas eliminated dozens of scenarios between potential 9-7 teams in the NFC wild card race. :D |
Where the hell did all this Bronco hate by the Chargers come from?
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I'd be annoyed about the scheduling if I was a Pats fan. If they win at 1pm, then the Jets don't have much motivation to beat Miami at 4:15pm.
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But you can go to the ground, pray, point to the sky, etc and that's all cool. |
Some random thoughts from a Broncos fan:
After enduring the past few subpar years, it would be kinda nice to see the Broncos return to the playoffs, but they really don't deserve to be there. Of course, I'll be cheering for my favorite team on Sunday night, but the Chargers deserve it a little more than the Broncos do. Hell, if Hochuli doesn't blow that call early in the season (and all other results had been the same), the Chargers would've clinched by now. I honestly won't be very upset if the Chargers win on Sunday, as the Colts would probably go into Denver and blow out the Broncos in the playoffs anyway. The Chargers are more likely to give Indy a good game. It's embarrassing that Denver could make the playoffs with a 4-2 divisional record in the AFC West (and it should be 3-3). The Chargers have taken care of business within their own division, so with all other things being equal, they really should be in. I guess it's easy for me to say these things because it's not a terrible situation for Broncos fans either way. If Denver wins, playoff time. If Denver loses, they didn't deserve it anyway. I feel bad for Chargers fans in a way because their team has been competitive or dominant in almost every game, yet their season comes down to having to beat a team that they should've already gotten a win against. Oh, well. Go Broncos anyway. |
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New England win/tie + NY Jets win + Baltimore loss => wild card See above. But I do love how the "Favre is thinking about not returning next year" stories have already started, and I'd love to see the Jets have given up the picks they did for one season that ends without a playoff bid... |
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I love the Jets and wished they never let Pennington go, but if they don't make the playoffs, isn't it just a 4th rounder? I wish we kept Chad and our 4th rounder, but I don't see it as a total bust. I think having Favre there really did help Thomas Jones get going, but I'm not sure Chad would've had the same success he's had in Miami. |
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So yeah, definitely a fourth, maybe more, don't know what the specifics of playing time / performance are. |
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Stop giving them more reasons to whine!!! :devil: |
Just an interesting note for Week 17 ..
Since Hyzuinga is selling the Fins, Parcells has 30 days to opt out of his contract and get paid remaining monies since his deal stipulated if the team was sold at any time he could leave. Should be interesting to see if he decides to do it. |
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It seems like an easy decision to leave. He gets his entire contract, paid in full, no strings attached. So if he stays, he's basically working for free. |
Wow. This is going to be a three yards and a wind gust of dirt game in Buffallo. Apaprently the wind is so bad that Buffalo, against the wind, has decided not to throw at all.
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I think short passing is still possible - that's something of an advantage for the Pats (I think still Cassell is dreadful throwing deep, and he's going to crash hard with some other team next year - assuming Brady can come back). |
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Yep. As a Lions fan I can only hope Old Man Ford realizes the gift this could be. Parcells was rumored to have called in 2000 before Millen was named President to say he was interested because he has a lot of respect for Ford and would love to work under him. The problem is Ford is stubborn and doesn't want to fire Lewand and Mayhew, but if that's what it'd take for Parcells, you have to do it. Anyway, I think at the end of the day Parcells opts out and gets like 6 mil per year from the Dolphins to stay. |
It sure is quiet in here for week 17.....
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Well, a lot of the usuals have 4:15 games, Molson. :)
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Early games clinch scenarios - as far as I'm aware of - are listed below, with bold meaning a succesful clinch scenario and italic meaning a 'stay alive' scenario:
Atlanta Falcons Atlanta win + Carolina loss => bye week Atlanta win + Carolina win/tie => wild card, play at Arizona Atlanta tie => wild card, play at Arizona Atlanta loss => alive for wild card, play at Arizona, but need Dallas loss/tie * Atlanta loss => alive for wild card, play at NFC North Champion, but need Dallas win * * Atlanta already clinched a wild card, it's just a decission between 5th and 6th seed that's undecided Baltimore Ravens New England loss => wild card New England win/tie => alive for wild card Carolina Panthers Carolina win/tie => bye week Carolina loss + Atlanta loss/tie => bye week Carolina loss + Atlanta win => wild card, play at Arizona Chicago Bears Chicago win + Minnesota loss/tie => win division Chicago win + Minnesota win + Tampa Bay loss/tie => alive for wild card Chicago win + Minnesota win + Tampa Bay win => no playoffs Chicago tie + Minnesota loss => win division Chicago tie + Minnesota tie + Tampa Bay loss => alive for wild card Chicago tie + Minnesota tie + Tampa Bay win/tie => no playoffs Chicago loss => no playoffs Dallas Cowboys Atlanta loss => alive for wild card, play at Arizona, but need win Atlanta win/tie => alive for wild card, play at NFC North champion, but need one of the other clinch scenarios listed below Tampa Bay loss + Chicago loss/tie => alive for wild card, but need win/tie Tampa Bay loss + Chicago win + Minnesota loss/tie => alive for wild card, but need win/tie Tampa Bay loss + Chicago win + Minnesota win => alive for wild card, but need win Tampa Bay tie + Chicago loss => alive for wild card, but need win/tie Tampa Bay tie + Chicago tie + Minnesota loss => alive for wild card, but need win/tie Tampa Bay tie + Chicago tie + Minnesota win/tie => alive for wild card, but need win Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win + Minnesota loss => alive for wild card, but need win/tie Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win + Minnesota win/tie => alive for wild card, but need win Tampa Bay win => alive for wild card, but need win Miami Dolphins New England loss/tie => alive for division, but need win/tie New England win => alive for division, but need win New England win => alive for wild card, but need tie + Baltimore loss Minnesota Vikins Minnesota win => win division Minnesota tie + Chicago loss/tie => win division Minnesota tie + Chicago win + Tampa Bay loss => alive for wild card, but need Philadelphia win Minnesota tie + Chicago win + Tampa Bay win/tie => no playoffs Minnesota loss + Chicago loss => win division Minnesota loss + Chicago win/tie => no playoffs New England Patriots New England win => alive for division, but need Miami loss/tie New England win => alive for wild card, but need Baltimore loss/tie win (+ Miami win) New England tie => alive for division, but need Miami loss New England tie => alive for wild card, but need Baltimore loss (+ Miami win/tie) New England loss => no playoffs New York Jets New England loss => alive for division, but need win New England win/tie => alive for wild card, but need win + Baltimore loss Philadelphia Eagles Tampa Bay win/tie => no playoffs Tampa Bay loss + Chicago win/tie + Minnesota win/tie => no playoffs Tampa Bay loss + Chicago win/tie + Minnesota loss => alive for wild card, but need win Tampa Bay loss + Chicago loss => alive for wild card, but need win Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tampa Bay win => alive for wild card, but need Dallas loss/tie Tampa Bay tie + Chicago loss => alive for wild card, but need Philadelphia win Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win/tie + Minnesota loss => alive for wild card, but need Philadelphia win Tampa Bay tie + Chicago tie + Minnesota win/tie => alive for wild card, but need Philadelphia win/tie Tampa Bay tie + Chicago win + Minnesota tie => alive for wild card, but need Philadelphia win/tie Tampa Bay loss => no playoffs |
I never thought I'd be rooting for the Raiders.
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29 Rushes, 4 Passes between the two teams in the Pats game. Holy shit.
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And the goalposts are completely crooked....They have a guy out there with a ladder, that's a good sign.... And the Pats miss from 26....Both FGs and the forward pass may be off the table. |
Don't think I have ever read this before
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