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RendeR 04-07-2009 02:34 PM

Vermont 4th state to legalize Gay Marriage
 
Vermont Legalizes Gay Marriage - NYTimes.com


Didn't see a thread for this yet, thought it pertinent to see that this is the first state that has done so through normal legislation and not had the courts invoke it.

Honolulu_Blue 04-07-2009 02:43 PM

Didn't Iowa just do this too?

Good on them.

larrymcg421 04-07-2009 02:45 PM

Iowa did it through the courts. Not that I have a problem with it. That's actually what the courts should be doing.

Pumpy Tudors 04-07-2009 02:46 PM

Anxiously awaiting the "Apparent homosexual uprising in Montpelier" thread.

Edit: Of course, Dr. Sak might think they're just vampires.

Honolulu_Blue 04-07-2009 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 1986760)
Iowa did it through the courts. Not that I have a problem with it. That's actually what the courts should be doing.


Ah, right.

DeToxRox 04-07-2009 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 1986764)
Anxiously awaiting the "Apparent homosexual uprising in Montpelier" thread.

Edit: Of course, Dr. Sak might think they're just vampires.


I hear Vermont is keen on black and WHITE marriages.

Honolulu_Blue 04-07-2009 02:49 PM

Look me in the eye and tell me this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 1986764)
Anxiously awaiting the "Apparent homosexual uprising in Montpelier" thread.


And this:



Are completely unrelated.

I DARE U

Pumpy Tudors 04-07-2009 02:50 PM

maybe i can just die

DaddyTorgo 04-07-2009 02:52 PM

yay vermont!

DaddyTorgo 04-07-2009 02:52 PM

and iowa!

Flasch186 04-07-2009 02:54 PM

the Horra!

Honolulu_Blue 04-07-2009 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 1986764)
Edit: Of course, Dr. Sak might think they're just vampires.


This made me laugh.

RainMaker 04-07-2009 03:22 PM

One of the states should be smart, allow out-of-staters to marry, and just charge high fees for out-of-staters. They'd make people happy and bring in some nice loot for the state.

Klinglerware 04-07-2009 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 1986804)
One of the states should be smart, allow out-of-staters to marry, and just charge high fees for out-of-staters. They'd make people happy and bring in some nice loot for the state.


I believe that some states (and individual towns and cities who have tried to issue marriage licenses independent of state) have taken this into consideration, though I can't cite an example.

RendeR 04-07-2009 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 1986771)
Look me in the eye and tell me this:



And this:



Are completely unrelated.

I DARE U



I keep seeing this photo and the I dare you bit, WTF is this about?

ISiddiqui 04-07-2009 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 1986804)
One of the states should be smart, allow out-of-staters to marry, and just charge high fees for out-of-staters. They'd make people happy and bring in some nice loot for the state.


That would be smart.... if it didn't violate the Constitution ;).

You can't treat out of staters worse than in staters due to the Privileges and Immunities Clause (Art 2, Sec 1, Clause 1).

Pumpy Tudors 04-07-2009 07:43 PM

Let's just pretend that that picture doesn't exist, OK?

RainMaker 04-07-2009 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 1986949)
That would be smart.... if it didn't violate the Constitution ;).

You can't treat out of staters worse than in staters due to the Privileges and Immunities Clause (Art 2, Sec 1, Clause 1).


Interesting. How do they get away with charging higher tuition rates for out-of-state kids at public schools and stuff? There has to be some loophole.

ISiddiqui 04-07-2009 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 1986956)
Interesting. How do they get away with charging higher tuition rates for out-of-state kids at public schools and stuff? There has to be some loophole.


That is the market participant exception to the Dormant Commerce Clause (and, of course, college tuition does fall under interstate commerce as you offering it to anyone who gets accepted from any state). Privilege and Immunities apply to basic rights and unless a state says there is a state Constitutional right to higher education, they most likely wouldn't fall under that provision.

SackAttack 04-07-2009 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 1986949)
That would be smart.... if it didn't violate the Constitution ;).

You can't treat out of staters worse than in staters due to the Privileges and Immunities Clause (Art 2, Sec 1, Clause 1).


That would be Art 4, Sec 1, Clause 1, sir.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 1986956)
Interesting. How do they get away with charging higher tuition rates for out-of-state kids at public schools and stuff? There has to be some loophole.


If I had to guess, the tuition thing probably ties into tax subsidization. In-state students, they (or their parents) have been indirectly subsidizing public institutions with their tax dollars.

Out-of-state students have not, and so the higher tuition rate probably reflects the fact that they're benefiting from the quality of an institution they have not previously supported.

RainMaker 04-07-2009 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 1986964)
That is the market participant exception to the Dormant Commerce Clause (and, of course, college tuition does fall under interstate commerce as you offering it to anyone who gets accepted from any state). Privilege and Immunities apply to basic rights and unless a state says there is a state Constitutional right to higher education, they most likely wouldn't fall under that provision.


Damn, you know your stuff.

I guess it still might help a state financially to have people coming in. You have to eat and sleep somewhere. Plus the gays love to shop.

Illinois needs to join the club and get people to Chicago to pay our sweet 11% sales tax.

ISiddiqui 04-07-2009 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 1986969)
I guess it still might help a state financially to have people coming in. You have to eat and sleep somewhere. Plus the gays love to shop.


Yep. One of the issues that came out of the Prop 8 stuff was how much money California would lose from gay tourists who came to the state to get married, and then, of course, spent their honeymoon there.

And in a recession, that was especially important to consider.

Crapshoot 04-07-2009 10:23 PM

Either way good news. The rednecks and bigots have one more thing to whine about.

RendeR 04-07-2009 10:32 PM

I was most impressed by the fact that the Governor vetoed it and the house and senate overuled him and got it right without resorting to court orders to do so.

Chalk one up for the good guys doing it the normal way!

M GO BLUE!!! 04-07-2009 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1986910)
I keep seeing this photo and the I dare you bit, WTF is this about?


Dare him & find out.

Lathum 04-07-2009 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1987070)

Chalk one up for the good guys doing it the normal way!


funny choice of words


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