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Vince, Pt. II 07-03-2011 09:59 AM

Music Sorting Question
 
I am a bit...meticulous when it comes to sorting my music. I like to have my CDs arranged "just so," alphabetical by artist, of course.

That being said, a friend of mine who is the same way came to me with a question that I was not entirely certain of my answer for...where would you slot Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros?

Initially, the answer seems obvious - sort by Sharpe, the last name - kind of like Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers going under P. However, Edward Sharpe is not in the band, nor is he a real person; Sharpe is a figment of the lead singer's imagination. Because of this, my inclination is to put them under E, since the name of the band is NOT a person, but simply the name of the band.

Both ways don't particularly sit well with me - where would you sort Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros, and why?

Butter 07-03-2011 10:33 AM

E. It is a band name, as you said, not an actual guy's name (although I am sure there is a guy out there named Edward Sharpe), so start with the first letter of the band.

Julio Riddols 07-03-2011 10:54 AM

I'd do it by M for Magnetic Zeros. They'll probably drop the Edward Sharpe thing at some point anyway because the name is so damned cumbersome. This is just a guess, I have no inside info.

JonInMiddleGA 07-03-2011 11:01 AM

Sort it the same way you would Pink Floyd or Lynyrd Skynrd. Same situation, just fewer words.

QuikSand 07-03-2011 11:01 AM

Next to this guy

fantom1979 07-03-2011 11:21 AM

What is this CD thing you speak of? Doesn't Itunes just sort it for you automatically? :)

sabotai 07-03-2011 12:02 PM

Put yourself in the situation where you are looking for the CD. Think "I really want my Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros CD". Where does your mind go to first, E or S?

I'd probably still sort it by S, since, even though it's a fake name, it's still a first name and a last name, and my initial inclination is to look for something by the last name if both names are the first two words of a band name.

Ksyrup 07-03-2011 07:12 PM

Sort by E. It's the band name, not a person's name. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers goes under T. Tom Petty's solo stuff is under P.

M GO BLUE!!! 07-03-2011 08:15 PM

I've had a similar debate with myself regarding Sheila E.

Previously I had filed her under "E," as her last name is Escovedo & "E." is simply an initial. However for the last few years I have filed her under "S," as "Sheila E." just seems right as opposed to "E., Sheila."

QuikSand 07-03-2011 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!! (Post 2492828)
I've had a similar debate with myself regarding Sheila E.


Another option would be to simply destroy all such material. Both problems, catalog-related and embarrassment-driven, solved.

cuervo72 07-03-2011 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 2492821)
Sort by E. It's the band name, not a person's name. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers goes under T. Tom Petty's solo stuff is under P.


Along these lines though, where do you put Smokey Robinson and the Miracles vs The Miracles? Do you separate the material with Smokey from the rest of the material? Same goes for The Supremes with/without Diana Ross (Eric Burdon and the Animals vs The Animals, etc).

Izulde 07-03-2011 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 2492838)
Along these lines though, where do you put Smokey Robinson and the Miracles vs The Miracles? Do you separate the material with Smokey from the rest of the material? Same goes for The Supremes with/without Diana Ross (Eric Burdon and the Animals vs The Animals, etc).



M for Miracles and S for Supremes, A for Animals is where I'd shelf the Big Name+.

Reason being is because it's the core name of the band is the same and the big name/not big name is simply part of that band's musical evolution.

Which brings me to a question of my own: For those who are *really* strict, do you organize multi-CD bands' works by alphabetical order or chronological?

My own inclination would be chronological.

Izulde 07-03-2011 10:55 PM

dola,

I have my library in my parents' house organized by general subject and non-alphabetical author grouping (though I do keep all the books by the same author together) right now, but since I'm doing a major cleaning this summer, I might more strictly do author alphabetization and chronological ordering of same author works.

M GO BLUE!!! 07-04-2011 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 2492835)
Another option would be to simply destroy all such material. Both problems, catalog-related and embarrassment-driven, solved.


I would never suggest something as such to him. Whatever I may think of the quality of the music he listens to (don't know it, actually) it could be all that is holding him on this side of sanity. Without it, who knows... he could actually snap and seek out those who are seemingly critical of him and/or his musical tastes and destroy their music collections!

Better to let him listen to whatever he wishes and simply offer advice as to cataloging his collection. It could save us all.

sabotai 07-04-2011 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde (Post 2492855)
Which brings me to a question of my own: For those who are *really* strict, do you organize multi-CD bands' works by alphabetical order or chronological?


Chronological.

QuikSand 07-04-2011 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!! (Post 2492862)
I would never suggest something as such to him. Whatever I may think of the quality of the music he listens to (don't know it, actually) it could be all that is holding him on this side of sanity. Without it, who knows... he could actually snap and seek out those who are seemingly critical of him and/or his musical tastes and destroy their music collections!

Better to let him listen to whatever he wishes and simply offer advice as to cataloging his collection. It could save us all.


Good advice, thanks.

JimboJ 07-04-2011 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 2492821)
Sort by E. It's the band name, not a person's name. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers goes under T. Tom Petty's solo stuff is under P.


Really, you would split up Tom Petty under two different letters? That just seems wrong. I would put Tom Petty and Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers under P so its all together.

I always think about how the CDs would be arranged in a music store (the few that are left anyway). How many people would think to look under T for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers? Or who would look under B for Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band?

M GO BLUE!!! 07-04-2011 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 2492880)
Good advice, thanks.


Just trying to help us all, my friend. Just trying to help us all...

cartman 07-04-2011 12:09 PM

Little known fact:

QuikSand buys two copies of all of Billy Joel's works, filing one under 'B' and the other under 'J'.

Mota 07-04-2011 08:13 PM

I sort it by my favorite acts. The top of my library has all my favorite bands' CD's in chronological order. I move bands up and down shelves as I get more into them or tired of them.

It quickly falls out of order, but I do always try and keep the full band catalogs together at least.

corbes 07-04-2011 09:55 PM

No offense you all, but, yikes.

Ksyrup 07-05-2011 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JimboJ (Post 2492886)
Really, you would split up Tom Petty under two different letters? That just seems wrong. I would put Tom Petty and Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers under P so its all together.

I always think about how the CDs would be arranged in a music store (the few that are left anyway). How many people would think to look under T for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers? Or who would look under B for Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band?


Yes, I do. And I don't follow what CD stores do - they usually misspelled Megadeth, so WTF do they know? Their system is to make it easy for idiots to find stuff to buy, not the same purpose for my categorization.

Definitely arrange same-artist CDs in chronological order. Especially fun when you've got about 750 bootlegs, too!

path12 07-05-2011 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by corbes (Post 2492985)
No offense you all, but, yikes.


Dude, you're never gonna make it past College Benchwarmer with that kind of thinking. These debates are post count gold.

path12 07-05-2011 05:01 PM

Oh, and by the way, S for Sharpe for me.

Corbes, see what I did there?

M GO BLUE!!! 07-05-2011 09:40 PM

You could always order them by catalog number. Options would include whether by label, then code, or just by numbers alone.

That would make it interesting...

corbes 07-06-2011 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by path12 (Post 2493280)
Corbes, see what I did there?


I don't think it counts twice unless you dola the second post?

Ksyrup 07-06-2011 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!! (Post 2493329)
You could always order them by catalog number. Options would include whether by label, then code, or just by numbers alone.

That would make it interesting...


The point is to make it somewhat easy to locate a particular CD, though, is it not? That wouldn't be so easy. Especially these days, when you've got bands on multiple labels or going out on their own.


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