DADT Repeal
 

Final today. About time. Bullets don't particularly recognize gay or straight people. Good coverage below.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/rich...ll-repeal-live

Yup. About damn time. I'm sure the fundies heads are about to explode and their brain is in hyperbolic mode at the moment, with caps lock engaged.

One of the lowest points in American history but it is what it is. We'll either regain some semblance of a moral compass or we'll be relegated to the dustbin of history where we'd belong.

Now we just need to get rid of DOMA.

I was patiently waiting for the sky to start falling and the earth to erupt into volcanic chaos. I guess stupid conservatives were wrong again.

Oooh, so close.

I'm curious -- how many containers of history are there?

You kill 100,000 plus people in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that's not a big deal. But if one gay dude is allowed to get in on the killing, the world should end.

No, you and your ilk are slowly being relegated to the dustbin of history where you belong.

Looking forward to the SNL skit or Fox sitcom featuring an all-flamboyantly gay military division. I have previously suggested "Fort Fabulous" as a working title.

It's been pretty funny to watch this whole thing unfold. The only people who give a shit are Republican politicians, old Generals and editorial writer's. Everyone else just shrugs and thinks "should of happened ten years ago."

Where would you rank the last five years historically. I'm pretty sure I've read the " ... lowest points in American history..." line from you quite a few times the past couple of years.

Sorry Jon, have to disagree with you on this (probably no shock to either of us), but, I'm not sure how allowing gays to serve openly is equivalent to something bad or a low point in our country's history.

As a vet myself, if someone wants to serve this country by volunteering for something that has the potential to be life ending, I don't care if you're gay or straight, just do your job honorably.

See that's the rub for the people with their boxers in a knot over this. They feel that being gay isn't honorable....

But how though? I guess I can't get into the mindset to understand that. I could see if there was at the very least a logical explanation, backed up by evidence and facts. "Just because I don't like it" or "I think it's wrong", doesn't cut it and is a poor, lazy excuse.

If you believed being gay was a choice it might make sense. You would have to ignore all fact involved, but that's clearly easy enough.

I'm pretty sure we've been down this road before Jedi and it basically boils down to religious beliefs.

Not sure if you really want to go down that road or not.

Gay Latino Division- "Don't Ask, Don't Telemundo"

I can see that and yes and I think it's sad that people do choose to be willfully ignorant. I don't feel sorry for them though. I just think it's sad and a bit pathetic that anyone would want to be uneducated by choice.

Unfortunately, that is a good portion of the problem.


Not in this thread, but, more than willing to debate it somewhere else. :)

I disagree that it is not someone's choice. I know some people that have "tried it out" and then decided its not for them.

To me trying it out is not something you do for 6 months or a year or until you get bored.

To me, bi-sexual makes sense to try out. "Do I feel comfortable with someone of the same sex touching me so I can get off?" I understand that. But swearing off a sex you prefer for the same sex, and then going back is most certainly a choice.

Do I want it shoved in my face? No. Do I want to see hetero couples going at it in my face? No. I wish we could accept the fact that we are all different and all flawed. Each of us are flawed in different ways. Yes, being gay is a flaw. In nature, you would not be able to pass on your genes. That's a pretty big flaw in nature. So what, I have some OCD tendencies. In nature, I would obsess about where my nuts were while some bird of prey snagged me for dinner.

That said, I really do not understand the "we're all going to burn!" mentality some have. How is being gay worse than murder (which we seem to be more forgiving of)? How is it worse than cheating on your wife? Why should it keep you from serving in the military?

It's a great victory for the rights of those that wish to fight and support their country. About time this got fixed.

"""". This. The people who oppose this - do they think the Israeli army is any less effective for having gay people (I exclude the Britsh and the Canadian, because they are clearly not as "badass" as Israeli's in your average bigot's eyes) serve for the last few years?

This is the question I always have, there are so many other terrible "sins" and what not that Christianity declares but for whatever reason someone being gay seems to be one of the few that the fundamentalists have decided to latch onto as the most terrible of them all. If many of them had it their way, people that are gay should probably be killed...

I wish that things would go back to the way they were. Keep things underwraps. I don't feel the need to shout to everyone that I am hetero, why do some gays feel the need to shout out that they are gay (ok, I get it to an extent, but once you're out, I don't need to repeatedly hear it)?

If I have a party and your date is Steve, Ron, whoever, that is perfectly fine. I have no problem with it. What people do in their private sex lives is up to them. For crying out loud, many straight people have freakier sex lives.

All I ask from gays is that you don't hit on me. That said, if I go to their turf, say a gay bar (I've done the whole "Hey! Let's go to X gay bar, the dancing is better there" that women tend to have), go ahead and hit on me. I'm on your turf, I understand that. But when I say I'm straight, leave it at that.

The biggest problem I have ever had with a gay guy was a guy in college (he was one of the RAs) telling everyone at dinner what their gay potential was. Why? What's the point?

I fall into the "love the sinner, hate the sin" camp on this.

I don't think fundamentalists have latched onto homosexuality because they think it's worse than the others, it's that they've gotten more push back. Who argues that murder isn't a sin? The heat and vitriol goes where the disagreement is.

I wish there was a DADT policy on what political party you worship.

You should like a woman complaining about how some men can be... (not that I don't disagree with you)

Pumpy for Prez!!

See, that's what I've been trying to say!

I'd vote for you even though I know about your meeting fiasco at work a few years back.

I've never understood why it mattered if it's a choice or not. There are many things we "choose" to do that should be totally free from government intervention. I was born a Catholic but am now Protestant. Does that mean my religious rights should be curtailed because I made a "choice"?

Man, why does "Ron" have to associated with gays??? :D

I'll say it before and I'll say it again. But when I see horny female cows eating each other out and mounting each other like they are having sex on a daily basis I have a hard time believing that there aren't biological factors at play.

And even if there was a bull around, they'd still be engaging in hardcore lesbian action to let the bull know they need some bull prick.

Maybe that's the biological response we see in men when it comes to lesbian action getting them horny?

I believe the reason for the distinction is whether gays are at fault for being who they are. If it is a choice, then they are bringing it on themselves. If it is not a choice (i.e. genetic), its not them, its their genes. They are blameless in it. Why should something that they are blameless in be considered a sin? Why should they suffer for something they can't control?

Sorry, I'll use Bruce next time!

I once saw a BBW web site that advertised "horny female cows eating each other out." Just thought you should know.

I made good money from offering my farm as the location for that stuff to be filmed at!

Why should they suffer for something they choose to do that doesn't harm anyone else? Why would that be okay but not okay to discriminate against me for choosing to be Episcopalian?

Of course, I don't think it's a choice at all. I just don't think it matters one way or the other.

Hope I don't get put in the penalty box for this but......

Sorry - I laughed pretty hard when I read Warhammer's first post. It did a great job of laying down a rallying point for all gay activists now and in the future.

"That said, I really do not understand the "we're all going to burn!" mentality some have. How is being gay worse than murder"

BEING GAY - NO WORSE THAN MURDER!

But think of the children, if we allow gays that means children will be taught the gay way and taught the gay agenda, and they will turn GAY!

That is sooooo wrong... hah.

"All I ask from gays is that you don't hit on me. That said, if I go to their turf, say a gay bar (I've done the whole "Hey! Let's go to X gay bar, the dancing is better there" that women tend to have), go ahead and hit on me. I'm on your turf, I understand that. But when I say I'm straight, leave it at that."

So grocery and record stores - HETERO TURF.

Gay bars - GAY TURF.

I need a map. TURF WARS. SHARKS AND JETS.

HEY WHEN YOU HIT ON GIRLS IT'S OKAY DEPENDING ON WHICH TURF YOU ARE ON SPORTING GOODS STORES ARE NOT OKAY BUT SHOE STORES ARE OKAY BECAUSE THAT IS THEIR TURF OH WAIT WHOSE TURF IS IT OKAY TO HIT ON SOMEONE ON I CAN'T REMEMBER.

TURF WARS!

Subby makes me laugh and cry at the same time.

For this type of thing it's best if you use the word Ghetto.