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stevew 10-09-2012 03:59 PM

NFL Week 6-Revised Bounty Suspensions.
 
Yeah, many more weeks of discussion about the tragic injustice that has been hoisted upon Jonathan Vilma


Sources -- Roger Goodell upholds suspensions of Jonathan Vilma, Will Smith - ESPN

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NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has reduced the bounty-related suspensions of two New Orleans Saints players while upholding the punishments of two others, a source told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen.

Linebacker Scott Fujita's three-game suspension has been reduced to one while defensive end Anthony Hargrove's eight-game penalty has been trimmed to seven games, the source said.


The suspensions of linebacker Jonathan Vilma and defensive end Will Smith will remain the same, the source added.

Vilma is on the Saints physically unable to perform list and will not be eligible to play this year but can keep the money he has been paid for six weeks on the PUP list, a source told ESPN's Ed Werder.

The four players have 72 hours to appeal Goodell's latest ruling. Should they choose to do that, the understanding is that they would be allowed to play until the appeal process is completed, a source told Werder.

Goodell appoints the person who will hear the appeal and last time chose to do so himself. He is scheduled to formally announce his redeterminations involving the punished Saints players Tuesday afternoon.

The players had been suspended as a result of a bounty pool that league investigators have said the Saints ran for three seasons from 2009-11, but the bans had been vacated on technical, jurisdictional grounds by an appeal panel operating within the NFL's collective bargaining agreement. That decision had led to the re-instatement of the four players and has forced Goodell to begin the disciplinary process for the players over again.

In addition to fighting their previous suspensions through procedures called for by the NFL's labor agreement, the four players have also sued in federal court in New Orleans. Vilma has his own attorneys, while the NFL Players Association has represented the other three. Only Vilma has sued for defamation. The other federal claims, made by all four players, generally state that Goodell violated labor law by failing to act as an impartial arbitrator. They also ask the judge to bar the commissioner from punishing the players in the bounty matter.

stevew 10-09-2012 04:02 PM

Steelers and Titans on Thursday night. It would be great to see the Steelers take a poor Titans squad to the woodshed.

DaddyTorgo 10-09-2012 04:34 PM

Good for the Commish.

Buccaneer 10-09-2012 06:05 PM

Tragic injustice??!!?? Vilma and the others got off easier than they should have.

stevew 10-09-2012 06:08 PM

Forgot to include the mocking air quotes around tragic injustice.

Fuck Vilma and the Saints.

Grover 10-09-2012 07:42 PM

While I agree these players got off easier than they should have, Goodell wields far too much power.

stevew 10-09-2012 08:32 PM

Not sure how Goodell has too much power. The union and owners deemed him the sole arbiter of punishment. Vilma finds a sympathetic court who define conditions and authority. Then Goodell reaffirms using different language. I think it's fine how it works. Slapping 10k in cash on a table to encourage injuries is pretty low.

molson 10-09-2012 08:47 PM

Don't the other sports leave discipline to single individuals? Not sure who handles appeals, but it's not like discipline is overturned very often.

Logan 10-10-2012 11:46 AM

Donald Brown had his knee scoped and is out 2-3 weeks.

Funny part is that I got an email from my brother on our fantasy football email chain about this a couple hours ago before anything broke. One of those "I work with a guy who knows a guy who is friends with a girl who is like a sister to Donald Brown..."

miami_fan 10-11-2012 12:24 AM

So what are the chances of the NFL banning all blocking below the waist?

kingfc22 10-11-2012 12:22 PM

Drew Brees needs to just stop already.

Drew Brees slams bounty probe

Logan 10-11-2012 07:48 PM

The color commentator on the NFL-owned network actually uttered the words "Dude, that's a great throw!" a few minutes ago.

Suburban Rhythm 10-11-2012 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 2726976)
So what are the chances of the NFL banning all blocking below the waist?


You mean the league that doesn't allow you dive at a QB below the waist, but has said you can do that to a defensive player, as long as you don't start from too far away before taking out a knee?

stevew 10-11-2012 08:04 PM

I hope Mike Wallace teams up with RG3 next year.

stevew 10-11-2012 08:17 PM

Blocked punt. Crap.

Lathum 10-11-2012 08:19 PM

Jesus Christ, Chris Johnson cant get one freaking yard

Suburban Rhythm 10-11-2012 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2727449)
Blocked punt. Crap.


Chris Gardocki would never let that crap happen.

bhlloy 10-11-2012 08:21 PM

God created Chris Johnson to troll fantasy players

stevew 10-11-2012 09:52 PM

These are the good refs?

stevew 10-11-2012 09:53 PM

Dola-Brown play wasn't even close. This one is most likely a tuck situation

stevew 10-11-2012 09:55 PM

So. Good refs=horribly not even close wrong on 2 straight plays.

Buccaneer 10-11-2012 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2727521)
So. Good refs=horribly not even close wrong on 2 straight plays.


Probably it's time to give them another raise then.

Swaggs 10-11-2012 10:37 PM

I miss the good ol' days, when the Steelers had defensive players that made plays to shut down those last ditch drives. Carnell Lake, Woodson, and young Troy P. used to almost always come up with a turnover or a big play that shut down last minute drives.

stevew 10-11-2012 10:44 PM

Shitty kicker strikes again.

stevew 10-11-2012 10:46 PM

Awesome Dick Lebeau 4th quarter D

kingfc22 10-11-2012 10:49 PM

Ninja timeout before the ninja kick.

bhlloy 10-11-2012 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2727546)
Shitty kicker strikes again.


Right, because 54 is so routine

If Ben runs for the three or four yards he could have easily got, the kick would have been good

PilotMan 10-11-2012 10:50 PM

I am so disgusted with sports right now. Baseball, football, curling, it doesn't matter. Nothing is going right.

stevew 10-11-2012 10:51 PM

54 is rapidly becoming a chip shot.

They should have gone for it or punted and gone for OT. Suisham doesn't have that kind of leg.

Suburban Rhythm 10-11-2012 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2727546)
Shitty kicker strikes again.


He's 9-9 before that kick. Tomlin has to reconsider that kick. The miss gives Tennessee the ball at midfield.

The only thing I'm surprised by was Tennessee didn't just throw passes deep down the sideline to get another two DPI calls and put them inside the 20.

bhlloy 10-11-2012 10:54 PM

I do agree Tomlin shouldn't have kicked it from 54, but if your kickers range is around 50, and you have the chance to run for 4-5 yards to get him inside that range, you have to know that.

stevew 10-11-2012 10:57 PM

Ike Taylor is so awful.

gstelmack 10-12-2012 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2727521)
So. Good refs=horribly not even close wrong on 2 straight plays.


But they have the media on their side now so no big deal made about it.

However, Goodell will soon have the ability and pool of backups to replace guys who aren't calling things right.

Sun Tzu 10-12-2012 09:26 PM

Kevin Gilbride...really? You're gonna be that guy?

Matthean 10-12-2012 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu (Post 2728058)
Kevin Gilbride...really? You're gonna be that guy?


You don't make Jim angry. You won't like him when he's angry. :lol:

Matthean 10-13-2012 07:43 PM

Dolphins willing to give three fans 10,000 if they can make a FG. From the 50 yard line.

Miami Dolphins Might Have the Worst Promotion of All Time | Sports | Articles

Thomkal 10-13-2012 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean (Post 2728426)
Dolphins willing to give three fans 10,000 if they can make a FG. From the 50 yard line.

Miami Dolphins Might Have the Worst Promotion of All Time | Sports | Articles



Well Dan Carpenter has been pretty bad this season....

mauchow 10-14-2012 09:30 AM

What a bad set of 12:00CT games today.

Dallas/Ravens maybe...

Sun Tzu 10-14-2012 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1 (Post 2728559)
What a bad set of 12:00CT games today.

Dallas/Ravens maybe...


NFL Redzone channel to the rescue.

I'd love...LOVE to see the 49ers just pummel the Giants today. Something like 42-10. Just complete domination in every phase of the game, not unlike the 49ers last two games.

Then I'd like to see Gillbride blame the loss on Justin Smith holding onto his O-linemen, or something else equally minuscule.

Thomkal 10-14-2012 10:39 AM

My beloved Cards take on the Bills at home today. Cards have no offensive line-sacked 17 times in last two games. They have no running game-#1 Beanie Wells is on the Injured Reserve/Can Return list until late Nov. #2 Ryan Williams is now on Injured Reserve.

Bills got absolutely stomped in their last two and a half games. I predict Arizona wins in the desert 56-40. :)

Sun Tzu 10-14-2012 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 2728575)
My beloved Cards take on the Bills at home today. Cards have no offensive line-sacked 17 times in last two games. They have no running game-#1 Beanie Wells is on the Injured Reserve/Can Return list until late Nov. #2 Ryan Williams is now on Injured Reserve.

Bills got absolutely stomped in their last two and a half games. I predict Arizona wins in the desert 56-40. :)


I'm torn on starting Alex Smith or Kevin Kolb. Do you really think Kolb is going to light up the Bills secondary like that? I'm especially cautious with him because of that paper-mache O-line.

jbergey22 10-14-2012 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthean (Post 2728426)
Dolphins willing to give three fans 10,000 if they can make a FG. From the 50 yard line.

Miami Dolphins Might Have the Worst Promotion of All Time | Sports | Articles



Haha. I can see it if it was for 50 million or something but for 10K, lol.... Tightasses.

3 yards shy of the NFL record for 10k.

kingfc22 10-14-2012 11:34 AM

Tough week for the Niners kicks off today as they begin their portion of the two games in five days part of the schedule.

I expect today's game to come down to the final two minutes.

Apathetic Lurker 10-14-2012 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 2728575)
My beloved Cards take on the Bills at home today. Cards have no offensive line-sacked 17 times in last two games. They have no running game-#1 Beanie Wells is on the Injured Reserve/Can Return list until late Nov. #2 Ryan Williams is now on Injured Reserve.

Bills got absolutely stomped in their last two and a half games. I predict Arizona wins in the desert 56-40. :)



Ahh, so you foresee a defensive game, eh?

bulletsponge 10-14-2012 01:18 PM

Romo romoing it

miami_fan 10-14-2012 01:18 PM

I know he was written off as a bust after the 2nd quarter of the first game, but Tannehill might be okay as a starter for the Dolphins.

Desnudo 10-14-2012 01:25 PM

Claiborne decked by Smith, called for pass interference

Julio Riddols 10-14-2012 01:29 PM

THERE WAS A SECOND LEFT!

Thomkal 10-14-2012 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu (Post 2728578)
I'm torn on starting Alex Smith or Kevin Kolb. Do you really think Kolb is going to light up the Bills secondary like that? I'm especially cautious with him because of that paper-mache O-line.


The only thing Kolb will be able to do is throw the ball-no line to protect him and no line to make holes for whatever running back they use. I'd probably still go with Smith cause he's at home and out for revenge against the Giants.

Thomkal 10-14-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Apathetic Lurker (Post 2728604)
Ahh, so you foresee a defensive game, eh?


Knowing how my predictions normally work, wouldn't surprise me if Arizona wins 3-0 in OT. :)


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