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HerRealName 01-02-2013 10:09 PM

Steubenville Ohio Rape Case and the Power of Anonymous
 
This is perhaps the most stomach turning story I've seen in quite awhile. Steubenville is a small town on the Ohio River near West Virginia. It has a rich football tradition and is, apparently, at least equally corrupt.

Before the school year started, an unconscious and drunk (possibly drugged) girl was gang raped. These kids didn't just rape her, they bragged about it on nearly every social media outlet possible including pictures on instagram.

The corrupt fuckheads of Steubenville were all set to sweep the incident under the rug by dropping some charges and taking the case through juvenile court for two offenders. Many kids that obviously had firsthand knowledge of the situation and did nothing to help were not going to be charged at all.

This is where a group within Anonymous steps in and starts revealing information to make sure justice is done.

Here is their disclosure website:

http://localleaks.blogs.ru/2013/01/0...benvillefiles/

And now the press is starting to pick up the story. The Daily Mail has an article up now.

The behavior of the kids is obviously disgusting. The adults covering this all up is equally startling. The Anon group will be continuing to disclose information so hopefully this continues to pick up media attention. It looks like the entire town needs to be shut down but I'd settle for the stupid, fucking HS football program for now. This appears to be Penn State at the high school level. As if one of those situations wasn't bad enough already...

RainMaker 01-02-2013 10:18 PM

It's an interesting story. Some of the major press picked up on it a little while ago. But it was mostly some local bloggers who I believe kept this story brewing enough for others to catch on.

Rape Case Unfolds Online and Divides Steubenville - NYTimes.com

Neon_Chaos 01-02-2013 10:20 PM

Wow.

Buccaneer 01-02-2013 10:29 PM

Sickening. I guess as long as it important to train warrior, it doesn't matter what damage they cause.

HerRealName 01-02-2013 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2763671)
It's an interesting story. Some of the major press picked up on it a little while ago. But it was mostly some local bloggers who I believe kept this story brewing enough for others to catch on.

Rape Case Unfolds Online and Divides Steubenville - NYTimes.com


Thanks, I totally missed that article and there's a lot of interesting background included.

TroyF 01-02-2013 10:48 PM

Beyond sickening. Everyone involved, including those who covered up should be severely punished.

TroyF 01-02-2013 11:05 PM

"He said that online photographs and posts could ultimately be “a gift” for his client’s case because the girl, before that night in August, had posted provocative comments and photographs on her Twitter page over time. He added that those online posts demonstrated that she was sexually active and showed that she was “clearly engaged in at-risk behavior.”

The quote above is from the story linked. Are you kidding me? I mean, seriously, you are going to say the online, naked photographs of a passed out girl are a gift, because she was asking for it?

Holy hell, this world really sucks sometimes.

JonInMiddleGA 01-02-2013 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TroyF (Post 2763687)
The quote above is from the story linked. Are you kidding me? I mean, seriously, you are going to say the online, naked photographs of a passed out girl are a gift, because she was asking for it?


I think you misread that. The "gift", as I read it, was her previous posts of pics and stuff ... not any from that night.

TroyF 01-03-2013 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2763703)
I think you misread that. The "gift", as I read it, was her previous posts of pics and stuff ... not any from that night.


I misrepresented what I wanted to say. I meant that it does not matter what she posted before online. There were pictures of her passed out and the evidence screams rape, yet these guys are saying it is a gift that she posted some r rated material before hand.

I am sorry, she may have made poor decisions, but those in no way absolve those idiots from posting pictures of her passed out, posting pictures of her naked, or bragging about raping and urinating on her. (Notice I id not say they raped her)

If that is their gift and the best they have, the prosecutors are going to have a field day.

miked 01-03-2013 07:06 AM

It's the standard, she was a slut and had it coming defense.

sterlingice 01-03-2013 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miked (Post 2763756)
It's the standard, she was a slut and had it coming defense.


Which is scarily prevalent in our society

SI

saldana 01-03-2013 08:59 AM

this is reprehensible...i seriously want to repost the video of the kid that goes to Ohio State on their university facebook page.

M GO BLUE!!! 01-03-2013 09:18 AM

I guess the first rule of Rape Squad is to talk about Rape Squad all the time?

Subby 01-03-2013 09:25 AM

I was always under the impression that you cannot obtain consent from someone if he or she is under the influence of alcohol. Does that have a basis in law?

saldana 01-03-2013 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subby (Post 2763822)
I was always under the impression that you cannot obtain consent from someone if he or she is under the influence of alcohol. Does that have a basis in law?


yes, it is the difference between expressed consent and implied consent. rape can still be charged in many states unless there is expressed consent, which cannot be given by someone that is not fully conscious....that is not to say they cannot be intoxicated, but they have to be lucid, which this girl clearly was not.

John Galt 01-03-2013 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subby (Post 2763822)
I was always under the impression that you cannot obtain consent from someone if he or she is under the influence of alcohol. Does that have a basis in law?


The law varies state to state. The rule in less than half of the states is that a person can only legally consent if he or she understands the nature and consequences of his or her actions despite voluntary intoxication. The majority rule is that a person can consent despite voluntarily intoxication short of unconsciousness. In neither set of states can a person consent if they were impaired through involuntary intoxication (ie date rape drug). Despite the letter of the law, cases with voluntary intoxication as the basis for non-consent are very rarely prosecuted (in part because it is very difficult to retroactively determine if someone was so intoxicated that he or she couldn't understand the "nature and consequences" of his or her actions).

saldana 01-03-2013 03:04 PM

this is on cnn.com now

Social media casts spotlight on Ohio rape case - CNN.com

britrock88 01-03-2013 06:56 PM

Certainly enough to turn my stomach a few times.

Draft Dodger 01-03-2013 07:49 PM

in other news, I really, really hope I never piss off Anonymous

molson 03-16-2013 09:44 AM

This trial's going on.

Prosecutors may get conviction in Steubenville rape trial, but it will come at a cost - Yahoo! Sports

stevew 03-16-2013 08:33 PM

Verdict comes tomorrow.

HerRealName 03-17-2013 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2797613)
Verdict comes tomorrow.


Guilty

http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-teens-gui...6028--spt.html

It's too bad they had to give immunity to so many of the other slimeballs that stood around and did nothing to stop this. It's also too bad that this can't extend to the "adults" involved in the attempted cover-up.

NorvTurnerOverdrive 03-17-2013 10:18 AM

i don't wanna make light, but 'digitally penetrating' would be a great band name.

chinaski 03-17-2013 10:32 AM

a year and two years, what a joke.

molson 03-17-2013 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinaski (Post 2797740)
a year and two years, what a joke.


I think that's the maximum sentence the judge had to work with in a juvi case, they're in until 18, and then juvi probation officers assess their progress, present recommendations to the court, and the court can either keep 'em locked up, let them out on probation, or release them from the program entirely, but no matter what, his jurisdiction over them ends the day they turn 21.

rowech 03-17-2013 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinaski (Post 2797740)
a year and two years, what a joke.


He gave them the most he could.

chinaski 03-17-2013 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 2797743)
I think that's the maximum sentence the judge had to work with in a juvi case, they're in until 18, and then juvi probation officers assess their progress, present recommendations to the court, and the court can either keep 'em locked up, let them out on probation, or release them from the program entirely, but no matter what, his jurisdiction over them ends the day they turn 21.


That makes sense, I keep forgetting they're juveniles. Still way to lenient imo.

stevew 03-17-2013 10:53 AM

Football is the most important thing.

Matthean 03-17-2013 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2797748)
Football is the most important thing.


Which they won't be playing anymore.

Solecismic 03-17-2013 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chinaski (Post 2797740)
a year and two years, what a joke.


It's progress, though. It does send an important message. Even twenty years ago, no prosecutor would have taken the case because the victim was always the one placed on trial in a rape case.

And even though it's not enough time, at least it will have significant impact on their lives.

I'd hesitate to call this a ground-breaking case, but I think it's an important one and it caught the attention of sports programs of privilege across the country.

Matthean 03-17-2013 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solecismic (Post 2797762)
It's progress, though. It does send an important message. Even twenty years ago, no prosecutor would have taken the case because the victim was always the one placed on trial in a rape case.


Although, 20 years ago we didn't have the social media which led to the kids being convicted.

Buccaneer 03-17-2013 12:04 PM

A chink in the armor of the sacred cow? I agree that this could be progress but there are still too many willing to justify bad behavior, illegalities and corruption at the altar of sports.

stevew 03-17-2013 12:17 PM

Ok. Is thwpossible their lawyers can appeal this and they can get released pending appeal. If that happens, what if the appeal takes them past their 18th birthday. Can they run out the clock?

stevew 03-17-2013 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthean (Post 2797752)
Which they won't be playing anymore.


It would be great if the whole school could take a year off to reflect at how douchy they all acted.

mckerney 03-17-2013 03:24 PM

Both boys were allowed to speak and apologize. Mays said, “I would truly like to apologize. No pictures should have been sent around, let alone have been taken.”

Well glad he was able to realize what he did wrong. :mad:

molson 03-17-2013 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2797770)
Ok. Is thwpossible their lawyers can appeal this and they can get released pending appeal. If that happens, what if the appeal takes them past their 18th birthday. Can they run out the clock?


They can appeal the verdict and do a motion to stay execution of the sentence pending the appeal, but it's a discretionary call for the court, and it's very, very rare for those motions to be granted in criminal cases. And taking a quick glimpse at the Ohio appellate rules, it's an even tougher sell in juvenile cases. There's a provision there that juvenile court orders can't be stayed pending appeal unless there's some specific plan in place to monitor the kid in the meantime. But even that won't happen here - the whole point of the juvi detention is rehabilitation, there's no way the court pulls him out of that (though legally, it could.)

WVUFAN 03-17-2013 04:04 PM

Quote:

Which they won't be playing anymore.

Are juvenile records sealed? What's to stop them from, upon turning 21, walking on at another school?

Matthean 03-17-2013 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckerney (Post 2797851)
Both boys were allowed to speak and apologize. Mays said, “I would truly like to apologize. No pictures should have been sent around, let alone have been taken.”

Well glad he was able to realize what he did wrong. :mad:


His parents don't believe he raped the girl so I'm sure that's the story he's selling to people.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WVUFAN (Post 2797862)
Are juvenile records sealed? What's to stop them from, upon turning 21, walking on at another school?


I doubt being out of football 3-5 years is really going to help them get on a college team. Their best chance would be to go to a smaller school, but they might not want that.

Flasch186 03-17-2013 04:36 PM

The state attorney says that theyre convening a grand jury to go after all those surrounding the story regarding covering it up, failure to report, etc.

JPhillips 03-17-2013 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckerney (Post 2797851)
Both boys were allowed to speak and apologize. Mays said, “I would truly like to apologize. No pictures should have been sent around, let alone have been taken.”

Well glad he was able to realize what he did wrong. :mad:


The reporter on NBC said this case is a good lesson because none of this would have been public if they didn't tweet pictures and comments.

bob 03-17-2013 06:11 PM

Not to make light of the situation, but did "digital penetration" confuse others when reading that article?

It took me the longest time to figure out that by digital they meant digits as in fingers, not something with their phone.

mckerney 03-17-2013 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 2797922)
The reporter on NBC said this case is a good lesson because none of this would have been public if they didn't tweet pictures and comments.


Sure, it's stupid to take pictures of yourself doing something illegal, but to have that be what you apologize for to the victim instead of the whole rape thing is fairly) rage inducing. Like someone just convicted of murder during an armed robbery telling the victims families he's sorry he didn't kill all the witnesses. It's not apologizing, it's telling the victim you wish you'd never been caught.

stevew 03-17-2013 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob (Post 2797936)
Not to make light of the situation, but did "digital penetration" confuse others when reading that article?

It took me the longest time to figure out that by digital they meant digits as in fingers, not something with their phone.


They should just rewrite the law to call it finger-banging.

bob 03-17-2013 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2797975)
They should just rewrite the law to call it finger-banging.


I think my mind was just on phones and the internet since so much of this case was about the posting of pictures and social media....

JPhillips 03-17-2013 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckerney (Post 2797939)
Sure, it's stupid to take pictures of yourself doing something illegal, but to have that be what you apologize for to the victim instead of the whole rape thing is fairly) rage inducing. Like someone just convicted of murder during an armed robbery telling the victims families he's sorry he didn't kill all the witnesses. It's not apologizing, it's telling the victim you wish you'd never been caught.


I yelled at the television. The lesson is don't rape people. Posting pictures of rape isn't the real problem.

cuervo72 03-17-2013 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckerney (Post 2797851)
Both boys were allowed to speak and apologize. Mays said, “I would truly like to apologize. No pictures should have been sent around, let alone have been taken.”

Well glad he was able to realize what he did wrong. :mad:


Yeah, NBC (think it was NBC) news was talking about this and how there are lessons to be learned for kids in today's internet society. Yeah like uh, DON'T RAPE??

cuervo72 03-17-2013 09:45 PM

Oh yeah, catching up and what JPhillips said. I was rather snide with my TV as well.

britrock88 03-17-2013 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 2798088)
Oh yeah, catching up and what JPhillips said. I was rather snide with my TV as well.


:lol:

I couldn't agree more with the collective reaction to that "apology."

LloydLungs 03-17-2013 11:13 PM

Yeah, I think we can definitely count on future teenage rapists not filming it next time. Lesson learned!

CNN ran some footage where some of its on air personalities (Candy Crowley for one) basically expressed sadness over the two convictions ruining two promising lives. Um...

Suicane75 03-18-2013 12:54 AM

Listen, these kids were good rapists. They could have gone to any college in America and done good things in the rape community. They both have a high affinity for running trains and object insertion. I think they could have accomplished big things if given the opportunity. I'm not saying either one of them could have gone pro at raping, maybe if they were able to mature and cut down on their mistakes, not spend so much time with the picture taking and what not. Now we'll never know. :(

I hope that grand jury deal brings the hammer down on that whole backwards fucking town.


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