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Toddzilla 11-21-2016 03:20 PM

FOFC Baseball Hall of Fame 2016
 
Please vote in the thread below - discussion is always welcome.

You are voting for a player to be admitted into the Baseball Hall of Fame. You may vote for no more than 10 players. Players appearing on 75% or more ballots gain admission

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Name          2016 votes (percent)        Years on ballot
Jeff Bagwell        315 (71.6)        6
Casey Blake               
Barry Bonds        195 (44.3)        4
Pat Burrell               
Orlando Cabrera               
Mike Cameron               
Roger Clemens        199 (45.2)        4
J.D. Drew               
Carlos Guillen               
Vladimir Guerrero               
Trevor Hoffman        296 (67.3)        1
Jeff Kent        73 (16.6)        3
Derrek Lee               
Edgar Martinez        191 (43.4)        7
Fred McGriff        92 (20.9)        7
Melvin Mora               
Mike Mussina        189 (43.0)        3
Magglio Ordonez               
Jorge Posada               
*Tim Raines        307 (69.8)        9
Manny Ramirez               
Edgar Renteria               
Arthur Rhodes               
Ivan Rodriguez               
Freddy Sanchez               
Curt Schilling        230 (52.3)        4
Gary Sheffield        51 (11.6)        2
*Lee Smith        150 (34.1)        14
Sammy Sosa        31 (7.0)        4
Matt Stairs               
Jason Varitek               
Billy Wagner        46 (10.5)        1
Tim Wakefield               
Larry Walker        68 (15.5)        6


* indicates final year on ballot

Toddzilla 11-21-2016 03:21 PM

That is one HELL of a freshman class...Vlad, Posada, Manny, Pudge..wow

My Ballot:
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Toddzilla 11-21-2016 03:29 PM

Oh, please hide your ballot in the SPOILER tag so as not to unduly influence others.

lighthousekeeper 11-21-2016 03:37 PM

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lighthousekeeper 11-21-2016 03:41 PM

Toddzilla hates pitchers.

Logan 11-21-2016 03:53 PM

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JonInMiddleGA 11-21-2016 04:14 PM

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BYU 14 11-21-2016 04:17 PM

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kingfc22 11-21-2016 04:24 PM

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Swaggs 11-21-2016 07:53 PM

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rowech 11-21-2016 08:46 PM

I don't understand the love for Manny. Great hitter but failed two drug tests. Not a name on a secret list or suspicions.

claphamsa 11-21-2016 08:48 PM

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claphamsa 11-21-2016 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowech (Post 3130767)
I don't understand the love for Manny. Great hitter but failed two drug tests. Not a name on a secret list or suspicions.


its he era, they were all on roids, hes was GREAT.

rowech 11-21-2016 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa (Post 3130770)
its he era, they were all on roids, hes was GREAT.


He was partly in that era and for good or bad he was not completely in that era. He was also partly in the testing era when the rules changed and there he failed a test two times.

TroyF 11-21-2016 09:04 PM

If Raines doesn't get in, my soul will be wounded. I loved watching that guy play.

JonInMiddleGA 11-21-2016 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TroyF (Post 3130776)
If Raines doesn't get in, my soul will be wounded. I loved watching that guy play.


Coke head or not, dude had game.

TroyF 11-21-2016 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3130781)
Coke head or not, dude had game.



Not sure if I've ever told this story on the forums or not. The first baseball game I can remember going to was at Old Mile High Stadium. Tim Raines started in the OF and Tim Wallach started at 3B. The following year Raines was up at the big league level stealing 71 bases and the Expos were moving another talented young OF through their system. A kid by the name of Terry Francona.

My favorite player on the team was a guy named Dave Hostetler. He played for Texas for a couple of year and ended his career in Japan. He hit some MONSTER bombs for the Bears including a shot into the second deck in left. (I don't think a major leaguer ever hit one there)

Raines was a special player. I think he belongs in the hall.

SackAttack 11-21-2016 10:34 PM

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Young Drachma 11-25-2016 11:59 PM

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vex 11-29-2016 02:40 PM

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nilodor 11-29-2016 03:12 PM

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General Mike 11-29-2016 06:03 PM

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SackAttack 11-29-2016 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nilodor (Post 3132714)
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Honest question:

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SackAttack 11-29-2016 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vex (Post 3132708)
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Same question to you, but reverse the names.

vex 11-29-2016 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 3132750)
Same question to you, but reverse the names.


Bonds was an insufferable ass, I liked Clemens.

Toddzilla 11-30-2016 05:13 PM

I'll tabulate and post results the day the real voting ends.

Carman Bulldog 11-30-2016 05:48 PM

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Buccaneer 11-30-2016 07:31 PM

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DanGarion 12-01-2016 05:34 PM

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oykib 12-01-2016 06:27 PM

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ntndeacon 12-02-2016 07:45 AM

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revrew 12-02-2016 09:51 AM

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Toddzilla 12-19-2016 01:52 PM

LAST CALL FOR VOTES!!

We have 19 voters, so 15 is the threshold to get in at this point

(Hint - very small class so far)

kcchief19 12-19-2016 03:45 PM

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VPI97 12-19-2016 05:02 PM

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Mizzou B-ball fan 01-05-2017 07:17 PM

Fun interlude. 18 years ago today. Pretty good class.


tarcone 01-05-2017 07:46 PM

Wow. thats a great class.

Hard to believe they have been retired for 23 years.

dawgfan 01-18-2017 05:21 PM

So Trevor Hoffman gets 74.0% while Lee Smith is at 34.2% (facepalm)

They're the same pitcher, but one came along in the very early days of the save rule and one came after it had transformed pitcher usage.

Peregrine 01-18-2017 06:39 PM

It really is hilarious how close those two pitchers are - in Baseball Reference Smith is the nearest comparison for Hoffman.

Code:

Sim Player              From  To Yrs  WAR  W  L  WL%  ERA    G  GS  GF  CG SHO  SV  IP    H    R  ER  HR  BB  SO  ERA+
+---+--------------------+---------+--+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+
      Trevor Hoffman      1993-2010 18  28.4  61  75  .449  2.87 1035  0 856  0  0 601 1089.3  846  378  347 100  307 1133 140
 896  Lee Smith          1980-1997 18  29.6  71  92  .436  3.03 1022  6 802  0  0 478 1289.3 1133  475  434  89  486 1251 131


Toddzilla 01-18-2017 07:15 PM

The results are in...the 2016 inductees to the FOFC Baseball Hall of Fame are...

Jeff Bagwell - 86%
Barry Bonds - 76%
Roger Clemens - 76%
Trevor Hoffman - 76%

Wow, VERY different than the BBWAA, that's for sure.

We had 21 voters, so 16 votes was needed for election. Bagwell got 18 out of a possible 21 votes; Bonds, Clemens, and Hoffman got exactly the 16 votes they needed.

As for the real-life enshrinees, Tim Raines missed it by one vote and Pudge fell 3 short:

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Jeff Bagwell        18
Barry Bonds        16
Roger Clemens        16
Trevor Hoffman        16
*Tim Raines        15
Vlad Guerrero        14
Manny Ramirez        13
Ivan Rodriguez        13
Mike Mussina        10
Curt Schilling        8
Larry Walker        8
Edgar Martinez        6
Gary Sheffield        6
*Lee Smith        5
Sammy Sosa        5
Jeff Kent        3
Fred McGriff        3
Jorge Posada        3
Magglio Ordonez        2
Billy Wagner        2


The google sheet can be seen here: hxxps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PpHRK1U1evmq-EMTTWt95aAO6a1XbL2bCxX2C4reRAU/edit?usp=sharing

stevew 01-20-2017 10:57 AM

I guess nobody cared that Pudge came to camp the year after drug testing started and his head had shrunk a full size?

Logan 01-20-2017 01:04 PM

I couldn't believe that Vlad didn't get in on the first ballot.

stevew 01-24-2018 05:34 PM

Trevor Hoffman?

JonInMiddleGA 01-24-2018 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3192904)
Trevor Hoffman?


I have no problem with that at all. Was a beast for quite a number of years.

molson 01-24-2018 06:01 PM

Bonds and Clemens continue to slightly gain ground, but they're probably not doing it fast enough. (57% and 56%) Edgar Martinez jumped up to to 70.4%, so I bet he gets in next year, his last year on the ballot. He was as low as 25% a few years ago. Mike Mussina also had a big jump, up to 63.5%, from 43% last year, and 20% two years before that.

dawgfan 01-24-2018 06:01 PM

Edgar Martinez will have to wait one more year and sweat out his final year on the ballot before he's enshrined. Bummer he has to wait, but the good news is it looks pretty much set for him to get in next year.

MrBug708 01-24-2018 06:24 PM

That's a shame that Edgar is going to make it. Baseball would be better off ending the DH

Vince, Pt. II 01-24-2018 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 3192906)
Bonds and Clemens continue to slightly gain ground, but they're probably not doing it fast enough. (57% and 56%) Edgar Martinez jumped up to to 70.4%, so I bet he gets in next year, his last year on the ballot. He was as low as 25% a few years ago. Mike Mussina also had a big jump, up to 63.5%, from 43% last year, and 20% two years before that.


Re: Bonds and Clemens, I would imagine that the fact that they gained ground at all, despite the public outcry from those already enshrined, has to be a good sign for their chances.

As I've thought all along, I still suspect that they will get in but it won't be until their last year or two of eligibility.

CrimsonFox 01-24-2018 07:19 PM

Why are Clemens and Schilling not in? That's crazy

tarcone 01-24-2018 09:02 PM

The local sports radio show was talking about Bonds and Clemens today. They were listing stats about him.
If they eliminated all his HRs his OBA would be >384. Which is higher than Arods.
In a 3 year span he hit 173 HRs and struck out 183 times. I might be wrong on the numbers, but he only struck out 10 more times than hit a HR.
He had 688 career intentional walks.
One of the guys commented that he would regularly only see one pitch to hit in a game and he would launch it.

He was a great baseball player. One of the best ever. Its a sham he isnt in the HoF. Regardless of the PED thing. Which wasnt against the rules. And helped baseball recover after their Lock out/strike years.


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