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Toddzilla 12-30-2019 10:42 AM
FOFC Baseball Hall of Fame 2019
 
Please vote in the thread below - discussion is always welcome.

You are voting for a player to be admitted into the Baseball Hall of Fame. You may vote for no more than 10 players. Players appearing on 75% or more ballots gain admission.

Please hide your ballot in the SPOILER tag so as not to unduly influence others.

Code:
Player  Years on Ballot
Curt Schilling        8th
Roger Clemens        8th
Barry Bonds        8th
Larry Walker        10th
Omar Vizquel        3rd
Manny Ramirez        4th
Jeff Kent        7th
Scott Rolen        3rd
Billy Wagner        5th
Todd Helton        2nd
Gary Sheffield        6th
Andy Pettitte        2nd
Sammy Sosa        8th
Andruw Jones        3rd
Derek Jeter        1st
Bobby Abreu        1st
Jason Giambi        1st
Cliff Lee        1st
Rafael Furcal        1st
Eric Chavez        1st
Josh Beckett        1st
Brian Roberts        1st
Alfonso Soriano        1st
Carlos Pena        1st
Paul Konerko        1st
Chone Figgins        1st
Raul Ibanez        1st
Brad Penny        1st
Adam Dunn        1st
J.J. Putz        1st
Jose Valverde        1st
Heath Bell  1st

Toddzilla 12-30-2019 10:48 AM
My Ballot:
Spoiler

Toddzilla 12-30-2019 10:49 AM
I'll compile voting and post results after the BBWAA results are posted.

Here's what happened the last time I did this in '16

FOFC Baseball Hall of Fame 2016 - Front Office Football Central

JonInMiddleGA 12-30-2019 11:26 AM
Alright, lemme see here
Spoiler

JonInMiddleGA 12-30-2019 11:28 AM
I will say that it was interesting for me to go back to the 2016 link & review my voting then, and to discover that the player I lingered longest over last time was the player I lingered over longest this time too.

cartman 12-30-2019 11:36 AM
Here's mine:

Spoiler

molson 12-30-2019 12:02 PM
Spoiler

BYU 14 12-30-2019 12:05 PM
Mine

Spoiler

Radii 12-30-2019 01:19 PM
Spoiler

tarcone 12-30-2019 02:35 PM
Not gonna lie. I have no idea how to to the spoiler. Could someone give me a tip?

JonInMiddleGA 12-30-2019 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 3260325)
Not gonna lie. I have no idea how to to the spoiler. Could someone give me a tip?

It's done with tags, put the word spoiler inside brackets to start the tag, put /spoiler inside brackets to close the tag

Izulde 12-30-2019 03:23 PM
Spoiler

tarcone 12-30-2019 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3260327)
It's done with tags, put the word spoiler inside brackets to start the tag, put /spoiler inside brackets to close the tag

Thanks., Votes on the way.

tarcone 12-30-2019 03:57 PM
Spoiler

tarcone 12-30-2019 04:00 PM
Scott Rolen was a great 3B. A leader and a winner. His defense was outstanding and he was a very good hitter.

bhlloy 12-30-2019 05:13 PM
Spoiler

Swaggs 12-30-2019 06:48 PM
I was reading an article on the Athletic about the candidates for this year. Pretty decent cases made for Scott Rolen (70.2 WAR) and Bobby Abreu (60). Two guys that did not feel like HoFers to me while they were playing.

I think Rolen’s career overlapping with Chipper Jones and Adrian Beltre (#4 & 6 in all time 3B WAR) overshadows that he is top 10 all time. Plus, there were guys like Chavez, Glaus, and Aramis Ramirez that seemed as good at their peaks.

Abreu has less of a case, but still pretty impressive and similar to or better than guys like Sheffield, Sosa, Vlad, and Ichiro. And way better than a lot of Hall of Famers.

Spoiler

Atocep 12-30-2019 06:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 3260342)
I was reading an article on the Athletic about the candidates for this year. Pretty decent cases made for Scott Rolen (70.2 WAR) and Bobby Abreu (60). Two guys that did not feel like HoFers to me while they were playing.

I think Rolen’s career overlapping with Chipper Jones and Adrian Beltre (#4 & 6 in all time 3B WAR) overshadows that he is top 10 all time. Plus, there were guys like Chavez, Glaus, and Aramis Ramirez that seemed as good at their peaks.

Abreu has less of a case, but still pretty impressive and similar to or better than guys like Sheffield, Sosa, Vlad, and Ichiro. And way better than a lot of Hall of Famers.



3rd Base, for whatever reason, is just horribly underrepresented in the HoF. Part of it is they just tend to fall off a cliff at age 30, but even guys that are productive into their mid 30s (like Rolen) tend to be overlooked. Hell, go back and look at Beltre's previous HoF threads. There just seems to be a weird bias against the position.

Swaggs 12-30-2019 08:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3260344)
3rd Base, for whatever reason, is just horribly underrepresented in the HoF. Part of it is they just tend to fall off a cliff at age 30, but even guys that are productive into their mid 30s (like Rolen) tend to be overlooked. Hell, go back and look at Beltre's previous HoF threads. There just seems to be a weird bias against the position.

Looking over this: Third Base JAWS Leaders | Baseball-Reference.com

Never noticed, but very true.

It is insane that Schmidt wasn’t a 100% on the first ballot when you consider that guys like Boggs, Jones, and Beltre were all still playing or yet to play. In 1995, you would have been comparing him to existing HOFers Eddie Matthews and Brooks Robinson and recently retired George Brett and late career Boggs. He got 96.5%. Old times sportswriters’ egos must have been something to behold.

Also, I feel like I need to mention that I hate the Phillies, despite advocating for Abreu, Rosen, and Schmidt. Don’t want to be misleading. :)

Atocep 12-30-2019 09:58 PM
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Ramzavail 01-02-2020 12:06 PM
Spoiler

spleen1015 01-02-2020 12:17 PM
Spoiler

DanGarion 01-02-2020 04:57 PM
Spoiler

ntndeacon 01-02-2020 08:27 PM
Spoiler

Ramzavail 01-02-2020 10:15 PM
not much love for Billy Wagner.

Sublime 2 01-03-2020 10:25 PM
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Toddzilla 01-20-2020 09:54 AM
Last Call

revrew 01-20-2020 10:22 AM
Spoiler

stevew 01-20-2020 10:39 AM
Spoiler

kingfc22 01-20-2020 11:49 AM
Spoiler

SirFozzie 01-20-2020 12:10 PM
Spoiler

cartman 01-21-2020 05:20 PM
Walker and Jeter made it. Jeter was one vote short of unanimous.

Lathum 01-21-2020 06:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3262500)
Walker and Jeter made it. Jeter was one vote short of unanimous.

Yankee fans are triggered.

I;m having fun trolling them on Twitter saying Piazza was better.

Atocep 01-21-2020 06:08 PM
Really happy for Larry Walker. I didn't expect him to get in.

JPhillips 01-21-2020 06:10 PM
The guy who didn't vote for Jeter is a hero.

Vince, Pt. II 01-21-2020 06:35 PM
My list:
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Vince, Pt. II 01-21-2020 06:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3262508)
Really happy for Larry Walker. I didn't expect him to get in.

+1, though I thought he absolutely deserved it.

Toddzilla 01-22-2020 07:44 AM
The votes have been tabulated and the 2020 inductee to the FOFC Baseball Hall of Fame is...

Derek Jeter - 100%

Only Larry Walker is missing from the IRL list of inductees.

We had 20 voters, so an even 15 was required for enshrinement. Clemens missed it by 1, Bonds by 2. Walker wasn't even close (hosers).

Code:
Derek Jeter        20
Roger Clemens        14
Barry Bonds        13
Larry Walker        10
Curt Schilling        11
Manny Ramirez        9
Billy Wagner        7
Scott Rolen        7
Gary Sheffield        4
Jeff Kent        4
Todd Helton        3
Omar Vizquel        3
Sammy Sosa        3
Andruw Jones        2
Andy Pettitte        2
Bobby Abreu        2
Paul Konerko        2
Alfonso Soriano        1
Adam Dunn        1

Google sheet here: hxxps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PpHRK1U1evmq-EMTTWt95aAO6a1XbL2bCxX2C4reRAU/edit?usp=sharing

Toddzilla 01-22-2020 07:47 AM
The handwringing over Jeter not getting 100% is so silly. Cal Ripken didn't get 100%, Greg Maddux didn't get 100%, nor did maybe 50 other guys for whom an argument cannot be made to not vote for them. So not voting for a "leader" who refused to change positions in favor of a vastly superior defender at SS isn't a crime imho.

Lathum 01-22-2020 08:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toddzilla (Post 3262538)
The handwringing over Jeter not getting 100% is so silly. Cal Ripken didn't get 100%, Greg Maddux didn't get 100%, nor did maybe 50 other guys for whom an argument cannot be made to not vote for them. So not voting for a "leader" who refused to change positions in favor of a vastly superior defender at SS isn't a crime imho.

I heard on the radio Willie Mays missed being unanimous by 22 votes. This is why people hate Yankee fans.

spleen1015 01-22-2020 10:07 AM
People think Mariano getting 100% changed the way people vote.

Someone said it last night. It doesn't matter. He got in.

Doesn't matter that Walker made it by 6 votes. He got in.

They should just tell us yes or no and not worry about percentages.

Glad Walker got in. He has a good story.

molson 01-22-2020 10:45 AM
It's just kind of funny that it was one person who kept him from being unanimous.

Probably someone who omitted the lock so he could vote for 10 other people. Gota make sure Cliff Lee gets a vote.


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