[wade moore]

SkyDog,

I think your premise for this is exactly accurate. The fact that different expectations are what causes the tentions in leagues when someone stretches the limits of games. I personally voted for option 2 because I do sit my starters during the pre-season. However, I don't know that you should have even included that. If in the NFL there was no rust involved, they would sit their starters too. So, I don't know that it is really stretching realism at all.

Anyway, I think these poll results should show why your actions have met such animosity in the various leagues that you and I are both in. A mere 15% play the way you do. that's a pretty small minority.

I think you play MP for the challenge of human players in order to play football here. If you're playing some numbers game to "beat the game" I just don't understand it.

Here is an example of another game for me. I play the game Battlefield 2. It is a First Person Shooter. On some of the maps, there are spots where if you know JUST the right place to go, you can actually get inside the wall of a building. You cannot be shot, but you can shoot others.

On a LARGE majority of servers, people are banned for using this tactic. To me it is similar to the gaming the system that you do (although I will admit nothing you do gives you "invincibility" like this does, but it's the first example that came to mind).

I think what you run into here is a SMALL minority of people "ruining" the phone for the large majority that really want something that resembles "real" football as closely as possible. Does the game have limitations to doing this? Of course. Good luck to making the PERFECT game. However, when I join a league, much of my reason for joining it is the people in it. Part of that being I like to pick a league where people are not going to "exploit" the game but are going for fun, "real" football. When I was in a Madden league when Madden 2002 had on-line Franchises, I hunted for one that (painfully) called itself "str8". Essentially, they would do their best to play "realistic" football as possible - even though it was not the best way to win a game.

To be frank since you brought it up, many of the things that you are doing in MP make me pretty mad. However, I have held it back in both of the leagues that we are in together because the league majority seems to be ok with it. But, for me, it is reducing the enjoyment that I get out of the league when you do it. You seem to not understand how this takes away from others, but how does it not take away when my chance for injury is increased when I play you in pre-season? How can I go for QB record chases if you are piling up ungodly numbers? How can I win the championship if you have a super-gameplan that exploits weaknesses in the engine itself? I know you haven't reached some of these goals, but I can tell you are trying to. And that just pulls away from my enjoyment personally.

I join FOF MP leagues to play FOOTBALL. Not to attempt to game a spreadsheet that has 0's and 1's that can be maneuvered to your advantage. I personally don't see any enjoyment and that and am baffled by those who do.