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Originally Posted by someone i don't want to attack individually because this is a general point than a specific attack
But in that case, you're at odds with the church, which is something you need to answer to eventually.
As a Roman Catholic, I agree the dogma of the Church.
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As stated above, I don't want to attack anybody personally with this point, I just want to point this out:
Dogmatic obedience to what somebody else tells you, simply because it's what they tell you, or even out of fear of repercussions, is both lazy, and intellectually stifling.
It's also hugely symptomatic of a lot of problems in this country - people really need to stop accepting what they are told at face-value and start thinking for themselves, the world would be a much better place.
I don't consider myself strongly religious, however my parents are very religious. They are both lectors at church, my father teaches Sunday school, and has for years, etc. And yet both parents believes in evolution over creationism, is pro-choice, and are for gay-rights (up to and including marriage). I asked them one time when I was younger how they reconciled that with their faith, and my father said something to the effect of "you have to think for yourself - you can agree with the central message of the church, and disagree with the particulars."
Don't know if it was posted in this thread earlier or not, but it's truly amazing how the Christian message has been co-opted by the Religious Right, when in many respects, Jesus was the world's first liberal, and would find many of the stances of the Religious Right to be abhorrent. There have been numerous magazine articles (I bookmarked a great one at home but can't find it with a quick google here at work) that discuss this.
*note: not saying ALL of his ideas were liberal, but certainly that he might easily be construed as more liberal than conservative