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Originally Posted by cartman
Services would only be true if the means of production of the services was owned and controlled by the government.
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Which it necessarily must be.
And you can't talk about services without talking about spending.
"Socialism" has a couple of different meanings. It's a political/economic philosophy, but it's also a buzz-word for the modern governments that are inspired by some version of that philosphy. I'm not making a philosophic comment. I'm just comparing the liberal European paradise governments that many here seem to long for, but are targeting the wrong things to try to get closer to those ideals. The general idea here seems to be that just spending money on programs with inspiring titles gets us where we want to be. I think reform of our government has to be way more complicated than that.