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I guess suggesting that we were at war in the 1980s is revisionism as well? The Cold War doesn't ring any bells with you I suppose. In any event, having the massive tax cut to help stave off the Carter-led recession being left out of your fact-finding mission is not the most fair representation of Reagan's tax history.
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Where am I getting a sense of Deja Vu here. President takes over during massive recession. Has a sort of complicated foreign conflict that requires massive spending. Does massive tax cuts to help stave off that recession. Later raises certain taxes to help fill the gaps in the deficit.
That's the funny thing. I wasn't bashing Reagan at all. In fact, I agree with a ton of what he did. It's funny because it's basically THE SAME FUCKING THING OBAMA IS DOING. The difference is to partisians like you is that one has a D next to their name, and the other has an R. With partisian hackery, it's not policy vs policy, it's D vs R. You guys are making politics an embarassment.
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Democrats only want social programs to win votes, they usually leave the reform aftermath of these programs to hard-working Republicans since afterall, it's their constiuents that actually pay for it.
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All politicians want social programs to win votes. Where were these hard-working Republicans during Medicare reform, No Child Left Behind, faith-based initiatives, farm subsidies, bailouts, or even TARP? They were in power, either holding a heavy majority in both chambers or having the guy who signs the bills into law.
As for whos consitutents are paying for it, remember that the Blue states pay in much more in taxes than the Red states, and receive less than what they paid in back. That shouldn't be an issue though, just pointing out the bullshit about how all social programs come from those dirty Democrats.
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Originally Posted by Dutch
By the time Carters-recession was complete, unemployment sat at 9.5%. It required a lot of efforts on the part of Reagan to bring that back down to around 5% and at the same time he managed to beat the Soviets at their stupid communist expansion game. The mess he was left makes Obama's contant badgery of President Bush laughable, but if the only thing you want to take from it is that he raised taxes so therefore conservatives would hate him, have at it. I can't think of a single politician across the entire American political spectrum that could defeat 1980 Reagan or 1984 Reagan. I can't think of one that wouldn't get landlsided by him. He was a true Republican but he could reach out to the left with more than words.
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Reagan was a great politician. Inspired people, instilled confidence, and got his point across. He would be very tough to beat in any election. Just as Obama was a great politician going into the 2008 campaign.
But that has nothing to do with the fact that Reagan would be called a RINO today and be an outcast to most conservatives. Many of the things conservatives are going after Obama for are the same things Reagan did. It's just one has an R and one has a D next to their name. That's all that matters to you people.