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Originally Posted by Suicane75
Come on. We both know there are bullet proof guys there right now. Cena can lose, Orton can lose. A whole slew of midcarders can lose. Miz beat John Morrison CLEAN. That's all he's done since he's been the champ. And it's not about cheating to win the big match, it's about winning the little matches in a way that makes people think you belong.
When a guy like Greg Valentine would whoop up on jobbers every week and then get DQ'd against JYD you hated him, but you didn't doubt he could hang.
Everything we've seen from the Miz screams that just about anyone on the roster could beat him. We hate him but we also know he can't hang.
They built Miz's first run as champ off of
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I remember when Cena was was the internet sensation that everybody wanted to be pushed as a new star, I also remember sentiment that he should have been going over the established stars of the day like the Undertaker and Lesnar (when he was getting destroyed by those guys). Same stuff, different year. No matter the year, there are people worried about the lack of "new stars", yet somehow, from those eras, we still got future bullet-proof main eventers like Cena and Orton. (And Cena by the way, challenged for the World title very early on in his career, against Brock Lesnar at a PPV, and had a high-profile fued and ppv match with the undertaker, and then was pushed way down to the midcard for a long time, settling for the U.S. title and feuds with Rene Dupree, before rising up again for good against JBL at mania 21 - but then it was a while after that before he became "bulletproof" - he had to get over to RAW first, certainly.
You mentioned jobbers - I'd love to see more jobber matches. Apparently there's interenal debate about that at the company.
All right, I'm locking myself out of this thread. Not for any negative reason, and not because I don't think you and others aren't making great points - this is always an interesting discussion - it's just that I could talk about this nonsense all day.