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Originally Posted by BYU 14
I agree with you on all your points about law enforcement training and how they overreacted, this was handled poorly, but the law is the law. I am stating how the law applies here. Don't bitch at me, bitch at the folks that make them.
And I live in this state, so I know the gun laws, I own a gun and it is still apples and oranges. If I choose to open carry (Which I don't) I am free to do so and am not doing anything wrong I have nothing to fear. If my gun is concealed and I state where it is and keep my hands in plain sight, I have nothing to fear.
If I waive my gun around and someone thinks I am unstable, or a risk to their safety and calls the police. The police show up and I have put my gun in my car, they order me down and even through they don't see a gun and I reach for my waistband then guess what? I am putting my life in hands of a complete stranger, and cop or not, I have no idea what his last call was, what his mind set is, how new he is to the job, how competent he is in his job, has he ever faced this scenario before, etc, etc, then I am playing with fate and have to hope one of them doesn't have an itchy trigger finger.
It's just common sense. Yeah, these cops were dicks for the way they handled it. They could have covered him, had two of the five advance and secure him and we all go home. But sometimes by the time you see the gun it's too late and unfortunately that is used as a viable defense for the one cop that pulled the trigger too quick.
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If you scream contradictory commands at someone for 10 minutes, they're at some point going to screw up. They are telling him to leave his hands in the air or they will shoot him and simultaneously telling him to crawl which is a physical impossibility.
My issue is I don't think these officers wanted to take him in alive. I think they wanted to shoot him from the start. There is no other explanation for why they continued to play these silly games with him well after they had him in a position where they could cuff him.
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Originally Posted by BYU 14
Best I can tell you is maybe go on a ride along sometime. It's not an easy job and that doesn't excuse this, or discount the "rambos" that are given badges that should never wear one. But this is a mistake that the best of cops could have made, meaning pulling the trigger in response to an action that could have resulted in one of them not going home and they have a second to make that choice. It sucks, but it or not, justice for this man will only be coming via the civil route.
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I'm not calling all cops rambos, just the cop that shot and the cop that gave the commands (the one that ran off like a pussy to the Philippines). If you're putting stuff like that on your rifle, you shouldn't be an officer. You're in it for the wrong reasons.
It's not a mistake the best of cops can make. The cop who made it had a poor record as it was and was the only one who fired his weapon. It appears the other cops with rifles in that hallway were not psychopaths or quivering pussies.