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QuikSand · 11-10-2019, 10:17 AM

So, nobody's really talking about Iran and nukes. It's another really fascinating case study in Trump/TeamTrump's understanding of modern politics.

Let's start with two things that nearly everyone can agree on:

-complicated things are complicated, meaning most people won't take the time to really understand them... not 55% but, like, nearly everyone

-it's fundamentally easier to be against something new and attack it than to be for something and defend it

So, start from there. Obama led a coalition to work out a deal to cease Iran's nuclear ambitions. I can't tell you more than that, it's a complicated topic, I don't have time to try to research it and come up with my own assessment. I know Israel wasn't thrilled, but I know a lot of people signed off on it being a way to keep Iran from becoming a nuclear weapon state.

Trump on the campaign trail offered a one word analysis, countless times: "disaster." In what way? According to whom? No, that's not what we do. We're not going to debate fairly, we're just going to take a far-out stance. That accomplished several things, but the most noteworthy is that it makes it very hard and risky to disagree with him. If Clinton had gone into a lengthy defense of the treaty/deal, she runs the risk of looking too wonky, or worse of defending every tiny facet of what I'm sure was a very, very complicated arrangement. That's too great a risk, and it works. Trump gets to convince his followers that he's an expert "deal maker" and that this is a bad one, and nobody of consequence stands up to say he's full of shit.

So, now, we've pulled out of the deal. So has Iran. They have just re-launched their most aggressive enrichment site, and we can't say boo about it. But, you know, at least we got rid of that "disaster" that... umm...uhh...had shut down their high-level enrichment activity.

I don't claim to know what is right here, it may well have been a bad deal. But whether that's true is obviously incidental to Cult 45. If some disingenuous wordplay is what it takes to convince a few more Wisconsinites that the libs are cucks, and doing so later requires grave risk to the middle east and maybe all humanity, well so be it.

Dammit.

11-10-2019, 10:17 AM	#19879
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	So, nobody's really talking about Iran and nukes. It's another really fascinating case study in Trump/TeamTrump's understanding of modern politics. Let's start with two things that nearly everyone can agree on: -complicated things are complicated, meaning most people won't take the time to really understand them... not 55% but, like, nearly everyone -it's fundamentally easier to be against something new and attack it than to be for something and defend it So, start from there. Obama led a coalition to work out a deal to cease Iran's nuclear ambitions. I can't tell you more than that, it's a complicated topic, I don't have time to try to research it and come up with my own assessment. I know Israel wasn't thrilled, but I know a lot of people signed off on it being a way to keep Iran from becoming a nuclear weapon state. Trump on the campaign trail offered a one word analysis, countless times: "disaster." In what way? According to whom? No, that's not what we do. We're not going to debate fairly, we're just going to take a far-out stance. That accomplished several things, but the most noteworthy is that it makes it very hard and risky to disagree with him. If Clinton had gone into a lengthy defense of the treaty/deal, she runs the risk of looking too wonky, or worse of defending every tiny facet of what I'm sure was a very, very complicated arrangement. That's too great a risk, and it works. Trump gets to convince his followers that he's an expert "deal maker" and that this is a bad one, and nobody of consequence stands up to say he's full of shit. So, now, we've pulled out of the deal. So has Iran. They have just re-launched their most aggressive enrichment site, and we can't say boo about it. But, you know, at least we got rid of that "disaster" that... umm...uhh...had shut down their high-level enrichment activity. I don't claim to know what is right here, it may well have been a bad deal. But whether that's true is obviously incidental to Cult 45. If some disingenuous wordplay is what it takes to convince a few more Wisconsinites that the libs are cucks, and doing so later requires grave risk to the middle east and maybe all humanity, well so be it. Dammit.