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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho
I didn't ask for a mea culpa. I might once teachers in Florida start getting arrested or lynched.
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Okay, fine. Come back then.
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Nevertheless, in asking for a mea culpa, Flasch is being provocative. I reframed the gist of what Flasch was saying into the following:
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If you concede that the politicians were targeting LGBTQ ("thinking about" & "primarily against") and you concede that it is not neutral in how it will be applied, then why the reticence to agree that these actions by DeSantis, Noem, et. al. constitute an assault on public schooling, individual liberties, etc...?
Is the idea simply too shrill for you?
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I thought we were discussing the link
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/13/polit...nda/index.html on the word "assault" but it's been somewhat reframed by your highlighted above. I'll answer based on the highlighted.
1) Yes, I concede the politicians (esp DeSantis) were targeting LGBTQ when they started the bill.
2) Yes, do agree more than likely it will not be consistently applied and there will be inevitable lawsuits. The reason why it won't be consistently applied is because the law does not get into details and there are things subject to interpretation. The inevitable lawsuits will correct what needs to be corrected, albeit likely painfully slow.
And did say below. I'll restate it this way - the law as passed is neutral re: straight/LGBTQ.
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3) If you do not believe it is neutral in how the bill says the restrictions should be applied to straight/LGBTQ, then provide quotes from the bill and let's discuss.
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Therefore, the reason why I do not believe it's an assault of public schooling, individual liberties is
4) I am discussing the law as passed, not individual motives
5) I don't see these "restrictions" put on teachers as unreasonable (I have many restrictions on what I can say to clients, co-workers). Teach what is in the approved curriculum. If its in the grey area, or you think it may be controversial, avoid the discussion and punt to parent/admin
6) Just for context, I view having teachers come to school, all dressed up in masks, face shield and some sort of protective cover to teach school BEFORE vaccinations as an "assault". That was risking one's life. A teacher being told not to discuss some topics not in the curriculum, nah.
So yeah, if/when something like below happens, let's come back and discuss "assault".
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Can you provide a similar example in recent times (let's since 2000's) of a gay 3rd grade teacher who was murdered because of teaching/instructing a child?
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Questions for you:
1) Let me know why you believe the bill as written is an "assault"? If you don't think the bill itself is an assault, but motives of the bill sponsors are an assault, then I don't disagree with you.
2) If you believe the "Don't Say Gay" bill as written is discriminatory re: straight/LGBTQ, provide some quotes. I am not an attorney, so I may well be wrong. Here's the bill
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bil...illText/er/PDF