[Edward64]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Cool answer but I thought we were speaking specifically about increasing legal employment visas. Not sure why you would want to poison that discussion with a call back to the pathway to citizenship for the 11m etc.

Throughout out this most recent exchange, we've been talking about illegals (11M+) AND legal immigration. You are right, when I used the term "political will", it was in reference to legal immigration.

However, in a prior passage, I said below in reference to illegal immigration ...

The law is the law ... and is definitely subject to change like when political expediency decides otherwise. Sure, there are things subject to interpretation and there are executive orders, but as it stands right now, it is a crime to come over illegally ... regardless of whether or not politics gets in the way.

You seem to say that laws change. I agree with that. So? Law change all the time depending on who is in the Presidency, Congress and SCOTUS. So until the laws change, we follow what is the law now.

So no, not "poison the discussion", just continuing it.

I will ask the question a different way but first let me post where I got my info from.

Trump, Harris voters mostly say immigrants fill jobs US citizens don’t want | Pew Research Center

You are in luck, we are starting to get more data where there is distinction between legal and illegal immigration so I will include that as well.

Where Trump and Harris Supporters Differ and Align on Immigration | Pew Research Center

Specifically on legal employment immigration. Good news for your argument.

Yay. Not enough though, but guess its a good trend.

Should be a simple increase right? no need for any compromise. No need for a holistic reform though that would be preferred. This is something both sides want especially since it appears that the folks presumably on the left want it more than those on the right. Well...

To be clear, Harris supporters give more support to undocumented immigrants that Trump supporters but we knew that already. No one is shocked by that. However, unless I missed one, every question that was more supportive of legal immigration had more from people who identified as Harris supporters than those who identified as Trump supporters and in certain cases it's not really close.

So once again I ask, who does not have the political will to increase employment visas? Who is less likely to support increasing employment visas?

I've answered previously. Both sides share in the lack of movement in a holistic immigration reform. I've also said that no problem in assigning "more blame" to GOP than Dems (I think I said 30-70 or 40-60).

But to your question on specifically increasing employment visas .... good question, let me know when the Dems produce an immigration bill with that only one proposal on increasing employment visas?

You won't find it. And we know why. Politics is much more complicated than that. With broader immigration reform or even one that is primarily focused on border security, there are many other points/proposals to consider which results in needed negotiations and ultimately, compromise.

And just to head it off ... sure the Dems led the charge on a border bill for the Ukraine bill last year and this year, and the GOP killed it. But then, The GOP proposed their version of the border bill back in summer of 2022 and the Dems Senate killed it. So yeah, both sides.

I'll let the survey speak for itself. I will say that if it does, it is clear that Harris supporters are more likely to be more supportive of such measures.

Yes, no problem in agreeing Dems are more supportive of legal AND illegal immigration.

When they make laws restricting what all of the refugees wear, then they will have an issue with more than just Middle Eastern refugees. If I wanted to call Denmark racist, I would have done so if I thought that was the case. I did not see anything that specifically said led me to that conclusion but again I did not go that deep. I am not saying that Denmark would prefer Ukrainian vs Middle Eastern refugees. Denmark, through its words and policies, has said that they prefer Ukrainian refugees to their Middle Eastern counterparts.

Demark has accepted a lot of Ukrainian & ME refugees (see my prior post).

But so I am clear, you are saying Denmark is not racist (e.g. my definition includes believing one is born inherently superior). But you are saying Denmark has now become prejudicial/bigoted against ME refugees. Fine, I can agree with that.

But so what? If Denmark was racist, the world/we can find common ground and condemn Denmark. But if Denmark is not racist, then name me one country that is not prejudicial/bigoted against one group of people or another re: immigration? Or in other words ... it is normal. What is your point of bringing it up (e.g. the 2 negative anti-refugee statements from Danish politics)?