[Yoda]

Just finding this thread.... and a couple of I am sure flame worthy comments

1-Given the MP leagues and their usage of data, I would hope that if Jim doesn't include a way to directly upload into a database, that he gets with Greg and Greg is gracious enough to update his DBU to handle the new game.

2- If Jim's beta testers aren't willing to go all out and test things, to be rather blunt- he needs new beta testers. The point of a beta tester is to push things. And if you aren't willing to do that, then you don't deserve to be an alpha/beta tester. (I've been the beta tester on a number of titles- Ultima Online, WoW, EQ, EQII, Magic The Gathering Online, Star Wars, and at least a half dozen more titles)

Ben- I am sure you are not alone in those feelings, but there are others that aren't that way. And I really disagree on your assertion that things don't get found out in beta/test leagues.

Again, Beta testing is about pushing the boundaries, taking things to extremes.

3- Not sure I agree with an open beta. I am not sure the logistics of a single person working on a game of this magnitude could handle it.

4- test leagues---- I like the concept, especially since this next version seems heavily geared towards MP play. The question is getting at least 12-16 players willing to really put serious effort into it. It's more about mind set and dedication. And less about the individual.