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Old 07-18-2019, 03:51 PM   #17877
molson
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Originally Posted by Lathum View Post

The Dems need the fringe voters and people on the fence. I have a ton of people in my life who voted him last time, and they justify it with the economy, and saying the "other side" tries to make him look bad. If they impeach all that will do is make the Dems look like they can't beat him in 2020, and enough people buy that narrative that they would lean his way.

I find it difficult to believe that the difference for those voters between voting Trump and voting for a woman, or a gay man, or a minority, or a self-described socialist will be how mean the Dems are to Trump. (Maybe some of them would vote for the safe old white man...but I think that might be a net loss with reduced turnout from Dems in that scenario.) And even if it was, the Dems can't possibly get through the 2020 campaign without being really, really mean to Trump. Unless they just start complimenting him I guess. Which would be a bold strategy.

Trump has actually normalized outward racism from the presidency. I didn't think that could ever happen. It's not even that noteworthy anymore. It's just what it is. The more we fear upsetting his supporters the more we're complicit in that normalization.

Edit: The Dems shouldn't insult the voters. I agree that the "they're too dumb to vote in their self-interest" stuff isn't helpful. But they have to go all out on Trump. Whoever sticks with him, that's on them, that's who they are.

Last edited by molson : 07-18-2019 at 04:04 PM.
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