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dunkem · 04-26-2018, 02:12 AM

That is so true.. that there is a whole lot of bad decision making on parents, students, and the institutions. Hell, some schools puts so much into recruiting quantity that they overlook the quality of students. Honestly, some schools care about who attends their schools because they're an Ivy League school, but the majority of less financially successful schools are just hard up for your money and attendance. They can't "bribe" everyone with free rides because institutional and scholarship money is often scarce. What happens is the free money goes to the zero EFC, "financially needy" kids to bring them in while the rest of the students are on their own with loans.

Clearly, it's no surprise that with this era of instant gratification, students and parents put very little effort into really figuring out what they want and how they can afford it. They think they can just show up and it'll be paid for by the government somehow and if student doesn't like it, oh well, transfer to another school.

Same within the institution... things are so automated that people need to be spoonfed to get things done because they just shut their brains off.

The world is getting lazier because it no longer takes the manual investment of working on something to get anything. Even simple things like adding/dropping classes is all online so you've got kids just flipping around like nothing vs. in the old days, you had to stand in a actual line and go through the rigors of seeing what else is available before making a decision. Same with applying to colleges and receiving responses. Ironically, it should be EASIER to gather more information with automation to make an informed decision, however, the easier it is, the lazier most get.

The government probably doesn't want to subsidize all these "dumbasses", but the pressure and the conundrum of "we have to show we're helping college education especially for the financially needy, while they're complaining about high debt" is going on.

You choose to take the loan, you pay the loan. Society thinks they can somehow get away with NOT paying their debt that they knowingly and willingly signed up for.

No worries Jon, I get that you're not ranting at me. I'm equally frustrated at all facets of this discussion as well as general society.

04-26-2018, 02:12 AM	#163
dunkem Mascot Join Date: May 2001	That is so true.. that there is a whole lot of bad decision making on parents, students, and the institutions. Hell, some schools puts so much into recruiting quantity that they overlook the quality of students. Honestly, some schools care about who attends their schools because they're an Ivy League school, but the majority of less financially successful schools are just hard up for your money and attendance. They can't "bribe" everyone with free rides because institutional and scholarship money is often scarce. What happens is the free money goes to the zero EFC, "financially needy" kids to bring them in while the rest of the students are on their own with loans. Clearly, it's no surprise that with this era of instant gratification, students and parents put very little effort into really figuring out what they want and how they can afford it. They think they can just show up and it'll be paid for by the government somehow and if student doesn't like it, oh well, transfer to another school. Same within the institution... things are so automated that people need to be spoonfed to get things done because they just shut their brains off. The world is getting lazier because it no longer takes the manual investment of working on something to get anything. Even simple things like adding/dropping classes is all online so you've got kids just flipping around like nothing vs. in the old days, you had to stand in a actual line and go through the rigors of seeing what else is available before making a decision. Same with applying to colleges and receiving responses. Ironically, it should be EASIER to gather more information with automation to make an informed decision, however, the easier it is, the lazier most get. The government probably doesn't want to subsidize all these "dumbasses", but the pressure and the conundrum of "we have to show we're helping college education especially for the financially needy, while they're complaining about high debt" is going on. You choose to take the loan, you pay the loan. Society thinks they can somehow get away with NOT paying their debt that they knowingly and willingly signed up for. No worries Jon, I get that you're not ranting at me. I'm equally frustrated at all facets of this discussion as well as general society.