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Old 12-21-2018, 05:33 PM   #681
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Originally Posted by BishopMVP View Post
I don't think Vizquel is meh. I don't know if he's a hall of famer but he was truly elite in one aspect and has a claim as the best defensive shortstop ever (though most would go with Ozzie, and most ESP.N announcers with Jeter). Harold Baines is just utterly forgettable.

There really isn't any data that backs up Visquel being elite though. He was solid, but the hype was entirely based on the eye test.

Ozzie had 10 years worth 4 or more WAR. Visquel had 2. Visquel made 3 all star teams. Ozzie made 15.


Jay Jaffe breaks it down thoroughly:

JAWS and the 2019 Hall of Fame Ballot: Omar Vizquel | FanGraphs Baseball

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Baseball-Reference credits Vizquel as being 129 runs above average for his career defensively, via a combination of Total Zone (+80 runs through 2002) and Defensive Runs Saved (+49 from 2003-12). Ultimate Zone Rating credits him as 47 runs above average as well for the latter period. The combined total doesn’t blow the doors off the shrine, ranking 18th all-time among shortstops, better than 12 of the 20 Hall of Famers at the position.
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