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Old 02-23-2018, 09:09 AM   #432
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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou View Post
It's not mutually exclusive.

The cop should have gone in. Even his boss said so.

I don't see that being a needed disclaimer. Of course his boss said so, because otherwise it would mean his whole department (and thus he) fucked up (remember they are still in the scapegoar-lottery as well).

And it doesn't mean that his boss is right in the sense that it is a reasonable expectation/likely result of whatever training these guys receive.

EDIT: And yes, the 11.000 other gun homicides (roughly) should absolutely not be left out and neither should the 21.000 suicides commited using firearms. Numbers vary of course year by year and statistics are not always accurate, but that's about the size of it. Since 1968 alone there have been more people killed by guns domestically in the US than US soldiers in all wars in history : More Americans killed by guns since 1968 than in all U.S. wars, columnist Nicholas Kristof writes | PunditFact

and here is a plethora of stats comparing the US with other developed first world countries: America’s unique gun violence problem, explained in 17 maps and charts - Vox

For example, the US are actually not noticeably more violent than many other countries. Just waaaaay more "efficient" at it due to guns. Basically, the same sort of crimes occur with equal frequency in London as in New York or Chicago, but they end up being deadly way more often in the US.

There are also roughly equal rates of non-gun suicides in states with the lowest overall rate and those with the highest. The sole differentiator is guns. Because quite simply a suicide attempt by gun is successful pretty much every time ...

There is literally a thousand different stats you can dig up that equate to a simple result: More guns = more deaths.
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Last edited by whomario : 02-23-2018 at 09:26 AM.
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