POTUS 2024 - Biden vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

For instance, when I was a law student, all law students were pissed at how badly we were treated during the bar admittance process and how ridiculously tedious and arbitrary the things were that kept people from getting cleared. Then, once we were cleared and passed the bar, all of a sudden we were like, "the bar admittance process is too easy. No one else should be admitted!"

I think we're seeing the same phenomenon with minorities. Seems like the thought is that minorities would stick together and it's basically white people who want to keep the "others" out of the country but part of what's fueling the GOP right now is minorities wanting to keep immigrants - even from their own background/country - out. We're here, but we don't need any more of us here. Shut it down.

I will respectfully disagree with you here (bolded section).

My response, so not to clutter up this thread, is below

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Biden's Immigration Reform

[cuervo72]

Do you remember 2016?

Do you see the EXACT same headlines from 2016?

It's the EXACT same playbook.

What about this don't you get? pic.twitter.com/PeKbaz96xJ

— Don Winslow (@donwinslow) July 4, 2024

[CrimsonFox]

ALso to parallel Hillary is the obvious similarity that then Hillary was forced on us as the Democratic candidate. Now that Trump has forced himself as the republican candidate hopefully the same result will happen but I'm still holding out for God's wrath lightning bolt.

[Ghost Econ]

Dragged to a neighborhood fireworks show by our daughter so she can hang with friends. This neighborhood has probably spent 20-30k on fireworks.

But at the start they did a prayer, pledge of allegiance and sand the national anthem. Then a group started a Let's Go Brandon chant. The rich white suburbs are so oppressed.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Do you remember 2016?

Do you see the EXACT same headlines from 2016?

It's the EXACT same playbook.

What about this don't you get? pic.twitter.com/PeKbaz96xJ

— Don Winslow (@donwinslow) July 4, 2024

The excuses are starting early.

[Edward64]

Happy that Joe got a big vote of confidence.

Democratic governor says Biden ‘fit for office’ after president meets with group of state leaders | CNN Politics

The meeting between Biden and the dozens of state leaders followed a call held by Walz earlier in the week in which some governors expressed surprise that they had not heard from Biden about his disastrous debate performance.

“Yes, fit for office,” the governor said in response to a question from a reporter, shortly after the closed door meeting between Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris and nearly every Democratic governor in the country.

“We always believe that when you love someone, you tell them the truth. And I think we came in and we were honest about the feedback that we were getting. We were honest about the concerns that we are hearing from people,” Moore said.

I'm not convinced there is as much unanimity as portrayed right now. Give it some time and see if anything leaks out.

But okay ... game (still) on and looking forward to the ABC, not-live interview by former Obama press secretary. Can get anymore soft ball than that. Get out into the public and do the public townhalls, show people you can carry yourself well and answer questions coherently, and hopefully you can turn the tide (... or pass the torch).

[Edward64]

A little more from the meeting from Axios.

Just a moment...

Governors gave "blunt" feedback to the president about concerns they are hearing about his age and fitness for office, the source briefed on the meeting said.

But the president indicated "little wiggle room" in dropping out of the 2024 race, the source said.

Vice President Kamala Harris participated in the meeting as well.

I'm reading in-between the lines as the Governors telling Joe he has to do X, Y, Z and that if he doesn't do that successfully by a certain date, then he'll get another visit.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I will respectfully disagree with you here (bolded section).

My response, so not to clutter up this thread, is below

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Biden's Immigration Reform

The polls show it. This is why Dems were caught off-guard in places like South Florida and Texas because Latinos were voting GOP in increasing numbers. Some of it is buying into the culture war stuff, but that has crossover into the immigration thing. There were a number of exit polls from the 2022 mid-terms that confirmed certain minorities wanted GOP-style immigration measures put in place.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Edward64

But okay ... game (still) on and looking forward to the ABC, not-live interview by former Obama press secretary.

Clinton aide and eventual Communications Director.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

The polls show it. This is why Dems were caught off-guard in places like South Florida and Texas because Latinos were voting GOP in increasing numbers. Some of it is buying into the culture war stuff, but that has crossover into the immigration thing. There were a number of exit polls from the 2022 mid-terms that confirmed certain minorities wanted GOP-style immigration measures put in place.

If you get a chance, please post your polls. I would be very interested to see if there is a distinction made on legal vs illegal immigration.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Clinton aide and eventual Communications Director.

Thanks for the correction

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Edward64

If you get a chance, please post your polls. I would be very interested to see if there is a distinction made on legal vs illegal immigration.

This should help. Not sure if it answers your specific question but there a lot of interesting data to mull over.

Latinos' Views on the US-Mexico Border Migrant Situation | Pew Research Center

[RainMaker]

Something not brought up is that Hispanics don't rate immigration as high as they used to. Polls show they care a lot about the economy, inflation, homeownership, and stagnant wages.

And from an immigration standpoint, both parties hold nearly identical positions these days. Biden recently tried to pass Trump's immigration plan. It just feels like an issue where there isn't going to be much difference.

[RainMaker]

I guess another question to be asked is who exactly is running the country? I'm guessing after the election we'll get a lot of stories and books about the past couple years.

The Conspiracy of Silence to Protect Joe Biden

Those who encountered the president in social settings sometimes left their interactions disturbed.Longtime friends of the Biden family, who spoke to me on the condition of anonymity, were shocked to find that the president did not remember their names. At a White House event last year, a guest recalled, with horror, realizing that the president would not be able to stay for the reception because, it was clear, he would not be able to make it through the reception.

Saying hello to one Democratic megadonor and family friend at the White House recently, the president stared blankly and nodded his head. The First Lady intervened to whisper in her husband’s ear, telling him to say “hello” to the donor by name and to thank them for their recent generosity. The president repeated the words his wife had fed him. “It hasn’t been good for a long time but it’s gotten so, so much worse,” a witness to the exchange told me. “So much worse!”

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Dutch

This should help. Not sure if it answers your specific question but there a lot of interesting data to mull over.

Latinos' Views on the US-Mexico Border Migrant Situation | Pew Research Center

I have read this report. Similar to the Gallup link, Pew does not delineate between legal & illegal when they ask the questions below. Pew conflates both into "migrant situation" or "migrants seeking to enter" and does not give people to state their opinion on legal immigration.

(see first graphic on pg 1)

My basic premise is:

1) Polls should clearly differentiate between legal & illegal. And polls should ask opinion on both in the same study (e.g. same population, same methodology etc.).

2) Because Gallup & Pew polls do not allow people to state their opinion on legal immigration (while polling on "migrant situation"), these polls do not tell the real story of how people feel about illegal & legal immigration

3) I contend people (hispanics, whites, blacks etc.) will be more critical of illegal immigration vs legal immigration. Or in other words, people will be more welcoming of legal immigration vs illegal immigration

As an example, the first question in the graphic:

% who say the large number of migrants seeking to enter the US at the border with Mexico is (Crisis/Major Problem/Minor Problem/Not a Problem) for the US

To really understand people's view on immigration, should have been 2 questions similar to:

% who say the large number of illegal immigrants seeking to enter the US is (Crisis/Major Problem/Minor Problem/Not a Problem) for the US

% who say the large number of legal immigrants seeking to enter the US is (Crisis/Major Problem/Minor Problem/Not a Problem) for the US

Therefore, the point I was trying to make in my response to Ksyrup is people/minorities are much more critical of illegal immigration and much less so of legal immigration.

[Ksyrup]

I don't think they want any competition, illegal or not. Unless they are family/friends, of course.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I don't think they want any competition, illegal or not. Unless they are family/friends, of course.

And that is where we'll agree to disagree. I think there is a significant difference but unfortunately, I have not found one poll that asks those 2 basic questions.

[Ksyrup]

Gotta love the south. I'm watching the local news and they're interviewing people who attended a 4th of July parade/festival, and this one older lady says, "It's a celebration of who we used to be, not necessarily what we are now."

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Edward64

And that is where we'll agree to disagree. I think there is a significant difference but unfortunately, I have not found one poll that asks those 2 basic questions.

Just a moment...

If this doesn't scream, "Now that I'm here I don't want people like me who aren't here right now to negatively affect my standing in the US," I don't know what does.

[Saul Goode]

Pretty cool that rainmaker got published in the NYT!!! Congrats!! I'm sorry bud, I'm about to out you.

NYT article by a right winger named Matthew Walther titled, “Why I Don’t Vote. And Why Maybe You Shouldn’t Either.”



"This is just very sad and frankly just what the Autocracy Doctor ordered," she tweeted. "Not voting is a vote to let others decide your fate, and we know that many elections are decided by relatively few votes. The goal of many autocracies is 'demobilization': people detaching from politics so they don't resist."


Walther voted in both 2020 and 2022. (His Michigan voting record was posted by Timothy Burke on Bluesky.) In fact Walther wrote an entire essay about voting.



The ruling class is terrified they are about to lose all their power. 90 hit pieces about how Biden's 2nd roommates's cousin wants him to drop out, threatening genocide from profession scumbag, Kevin Roberts, president of the fascist heritage foundation (trump's backers). Buying and rigging the court for Trump to have unlimited power.
The new buttery males is but he's old!!!

[RainMaker]

I don't want Trump to win which is why I prefer the Democrats run a candidate who isn't historically unpopular and suffers from dementia.

You got the man you wanted to run against Trump, not sure what you're complaining about.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Gotta love the south. I'm watching the local news and they're interviewing people who attended a 4th of July parade/festival, and this one older lady says, "It's a celebration of who we used to be, not necessarily what we are now."

Me, next year.