POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[Passacaglia]

Stupid (but honest) question - if you don't determine citizenship based on birth, how do you determine it?

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I too would be upset and lash out if I spent the past year being wrong and had to watch the party I unconditionally support eat shit in historic fashion.

Dude, you talk more shit and know so little about me, even after 20+ years here. You listen so little you think you have it all solved. You run around here like Chicken Fucking Little year after year. That one time you can act like your right about something you shit all over everyone just to boost your own ego. Rinse and repeat.

I'm only lashing out at your incredible asshattery.

[Edward64]

Wanted to know how the House race is going.

Per NPR at late morning today ...

Here are the House races that haven't been called yet : NPR

Democrats need a net gain of 4 seats to win the majority.

Where things stand in the 2024 electionDemocrats have so far flipped 4 seats and are leading in 1 other of the 10 remaining Republican-held competitive seats.

Republicans have flipped 3 and are leading in 2 of the 10 remaining Democratic-held competitive seats.

If that all holds, Democrats would be +5 and Republicans +5 for a 0 net gain for either party.

Doesn't sound like the Dems will net +4, so all GOP for next 2 years.

That would mean, Republicans would keep the House with a 4-seat majority, which is their current margin.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I too would be upset and lash out if I spent the past year being wrong and had to watch the party I unconditionally support eat shit in historic fashion.

OK. So why have you been lashing out for the past 4 years?

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Almost nobody would actually take 100 years ago over today if you really gave them a choice and they fully understood it. The differences in available technology, in convenience, in medical advances ... I'd be dead already if I lived 100 years ago and so would many others.

I feel you're missing the point of the modern GOP. They want to return white men* (and women, to a lesser extent) to the position of strength they held 100-200 years ago, but with all the modern conveniences. And it looks like they'll do it.

As an middle/upper class white man I guess I should be looking forward to it, since my attempts to vote my conscience against my benefits has been so handily rebuffed by those who would be assisted by those benefits.

*mainly white men of means, but a rising tide raises all (white) boats.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

I feel you're missing the point of the modern GOP. They want to return white men* (and women, to a lesser extent) to the position of strength they held 100-200 years ago, but with all the modern conveniences. And it looks like they'll do it.

I don't agree. I think there are elements of truth here, but it's far overstated. It's also a conversation that's been had many times on this board, and not one that is beneficial for me to dive into again.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Stupid (but honest) question - if you don't determine citizenship based on birth, how do you determine it?

I would imagine the citizenship status of the parents.

Birthright citizenship is protected by the 14th Amendment, as such:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

I would imagine the primary goal here is to make it so a child born in the United States to two (or even one) undocumented parents is not automatically a US citizen (i.e. "anchor baby").

It's not unheard of, many European countries require one of the parents to be a citizen: Jus soli - Wikipedia

I'd like to see how they'll get enough states to repeal the amendment, although if they did, it would also get rid of that pesky "can't run for federal office if convicted of insurrection" clause in the same Amendment.