POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Remind me again about that time Biden said he wants to end birthright citizenship and deport actual US citizens.

Trump wants to end one aspect of birthright citizenship. He'll keep the other part where at least one parent is a citizen or PR. I like this idea but admittedly, it needs to go through the courts.

Regarding deporting actual US citizens, provide a source for this? What I've read, it's de-naturalization for those that got citizenship under fraudulent circumstances, and that de-naturalization has been happening pre-2016. There may be something new that I don't know about but for my source, see below.

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[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Trump wants to end one aspect of birthright citizenship. He'll keep the other part where at least one parent is a citizen or PR. I like this idea but admittedly, it needs to go through the courts.

Regarding deporting actual US citizens, provide a source for this? What I've read, it's de-naturalization for those that got citizenship under fraudulent circumstances, and that de-naturalization has been happening pre-2016. There may be something new that I don't know about but for my source, see below.

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Can you explain how you view the 14th ammendment in regard to birthright citizenship?

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Can you explain how you view the 14th amendment in regard to birthright citizenship?

There is no doubt that 14th grants citizenship for babies born here. There is no qualification "if at least one parent is a citizen or PR".

But then the constitution/amendments is a living document (the majority of us here believe that don't we?) and subject to change. So, if we go through the legal process to change/amend the 14th, then I'm okay with it.

Why not change the constitution/amendments if the country/states deem it is in the country/states best interest? There's going to be a fight as opinions/interpretations differ for sure. So, go through the process that is provided by law.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Edward64

There is no doubt that 14th grants citizenship for babies born here. There is no qualification "if at least one parent is a citizen or PR".

But then the constitution/amendments is a living document (the majority of us here believe that don't we?) and subject to change. So, if we go through the legal process to change/amend the 14th, then I'm okay with it.

Why not change the constitution/amendments if the country/states deem it is in the country/states best interest? There's going to be a fight as opinions differ for sure. So, go through the process that is provided by law.

If we want to change an ammendment and enough states are on board with it, I'm down. My issue is using executive order to see if they've pushed SCOTUS far enough to the right to overturn over 150 years of clear and unambiguous precedent.

They can't say "shall not be infringed" is clear and at the same time try to move the goalposts on the 14th. The intent of the 14th is far clearer than the wording of the 2nd.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Atocep

If we want to change an ammendment and enough states are on board with it, I'm down. My issue is using executive order to see if they've pushed SCOTUS far enough to the right to overturn over 150 years of clear and unambiguous precedent.

They can't say "shall not be infringed" is clear and at the same time try to move the goalposts on the 14th. The intent of the 14th is far clearer than the wording of the 2nd.

This is a fair concern. Most likely Trump will try to go for an executive order first, and then that'll be fought all the way to SCOTUS.

I'm not a constitutional scholar but am ultimately okay with what SCOTUS decides. That is also the "legal process". Let me update my original statement

So, if we go through the legal process to change/amend/successfully challenge the 14th, then I'm okay with it.

[JPhillips]

Akiva Cohen's takedown of Judge Ho's ridiculous invasion exception to the 14th is worth reading if you're on bluesky.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Akiva Cohen's takedown of Judge Ho's ridiculous invasion exception to the 14th is worth reading if you're on bluesky.

Glad you brought him up. Followed him on Twitter, but hadn't added him on Bluesky.