POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[Ksyrup]

He also rage-tweeted about Obama's comments about him, saying it should be illegal to speak against former presidents. The lack of self-awareness is astounding - although that's not really what that is. What he means of course, is it should be a one-way street. And he'll no doubt try to make it so if he's elected again.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

dola

Trump is now saying he'll invoke the Alien Enemies Act. The last time that was used was to intern Japanese during WW2.

Wonder if Dutch still thinks I'm overreacting to be nervous about my Chinese daughter's future.

If she is legal and (obviously) not a gang member, why worry?

Trump rallies in Aurora -- a city he has demonized as overrun by migrant crime : NPR

He announced that if elected again, he would enact a nationwide effort dubbed “Operation Aurora” to target undocumented migrant gang members for arrest and deportation. Trump said the program would be based on the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, a wartime authority that allows a president to detain or deport members of an enemy nation.

Trump also said he was calling for the death penalty "for any migrant that kills an American citizen or a law-enforcement officer."

[Ghost Econ]

There WERE good Jews in Germany.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Edward64

If she is legal and (obviously) not a gang member, why worry?

Trump rallies in Aurora -- a city he has demonized as overrun by migrant crime : NPR

I’m glad you trust a Trump admin to round these minorities and immigrants up in a manner that won’t infringe on anyone’s rights that is here legally but might look they are from somewhere else.

I’m mean the guy always has the best plans and implements them flawlessly. Why would this be any different, right?

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Edward64

If she is legal and (obviously) not a gang member, why worry?

Trump rallies in Aurora -- a city he has demonized as overrun by migrant crime : NPR

Explain to me how these mass detentions and deportations are going to happen in a way that ensures people review of citizenship/criminal status? The whole point of the Alien Enemies Act is that the President is given the authority without judicial review. He can just order detentions of people from nation X.

[JPhillips]

dola

And don't sleep on the change from illegal to migrant. Trump isn't just talking about people here illegally.

[JPhillips]

double dola

And we'll go through the typical Trump news cycle on this.

Trump: I'm going to lock up people in camps like in WW2.

Supporter: He doesn't really mean that. Don't be absurd.

Trump: Of course I mean that. In fact I mean double that.

Supporter: Sure he means it, but it probably won't be that bad.

Trump: It will be way worse.

Supporter: MAGA!

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I’m glad you trust a Trump admin to round these minorities and immigrants up in a manner that won’t infringe on anyone’s rights that is here legally but might look they are from somewhere else.

I’m mean the guy always has the best plans and implements them flawlessly. Why would this be any different, right?

On a scale of 1-10, where 10 is when most/all legal naturalized citizens need to worry about being imprisoned, tossed out of the country, rights removed etc. IMO we are at a 2-3.

The 2-3 is for ... I can definitely see where Trump is "infringing on the rights" (debatable) on some legal/pending immigrants like Dreamers; there may be a fight on foreign student pro-Palestinian demonstrators kicked out; there may be a fight on temporary asylum foreigners; there may be a fight on some Permanent Residents from undesirable countries etc.

A 10 is when most/all legally adopted foreign kids are threatened. A 9 or 10 is when most/all legal, naturalized citizens are threatened. But that won't happen because they can vote.

So yeah, no doubt there'll be fights and SCOTUS will rule on what is legal or not. Just like what Trump wanted to do was challenged, just like what Joe wanted to do was challenged. But no, there is no way in hell a legally adopted foreign kid are tossed out unless there is a special unique situation (e.g. parents are illegal?).

[JPhillips]

Again, what's the process for mass detention camps that Trump has promised to establish?

Let's say Trump decides that Chinese illegal immigrants need to be detained and deported. How does the process work so that my daughter is guaranteed not to be detained?

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Explain to me how these mass detentions and deportations are going to happen in a way that ensures people review of citizenship/criminal status? The whole point of the Alien Enemies Act is that the President is given the authority without judicial review. He can just order detentions of people from nation X.

Specific to foreign born, naturalized citizens ... explain to me how SCOTUS, Congress and voting naturalized citizens will let this happen? Same to your point, how will Trump round up all the legal naturalized citizens and detain them?

Sure, he can order detentions and kick out illegal immigrants. Doing that to legal, naturalized citizens is a whole different matter in this day and age.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Again, what's the process for mass detention camps that Trump has promised to establish?

Let's say Trump decides that Chinese illegal immigrants need to be detained and deported. How does the process work so that my daughter is guaranteed not to be detained?

Much better talking about illegals and not conflating it with legal (especially naturalized) immigrants.

Specific to your daughter ...

INS: You have 90 says to send the necessary documents showing your daughter was legally adopted and is naturalized citizen
JPhilips: Sure, here they are
INS: Okay, we'll put it into our new fancy consolidated database.

re: detained. I've seen enough YT police videos to know that being "detained" when stopped for a valid/legal reason is NOT illegal. There are many reasons why people can be stopped and asked for IDs, and if not provided, they can be "detained".

Or do you really mean to say "detention, like internment camps"