POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

What inconveniences you enough about illegal immigration that you're willing to stomach the thought of checkpoints and camps? Is it their proclivity towards committing less crime? The taxation without representation? Our nation's lowest personal tax rates ever? Providing cheap labor for the service industries?

You asked a similar question and I answered in the other thread. Start from post #307 and read down.

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Oh, before there is a cry that I'm messing up this thread, no problem in going into immigration thread if you want. Just let me know.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

You've already provided a scenario where she is detained for an undetermined amount of time. That's pretty fucking bad given that she's done nothing wrong.

If you are referring to the car stopping one, watch police YT videos. It's happening now and pretty normal for citizens.

So if you want to discuss other scenarios that you think your daughter's rights will be infringed, share it.

[JPhillips]

Sometimes the police shoot innocent people, so it's no big deal if they do that to someone.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Sometimes the police shoot innocent people, so it's no big deal if they do that to someone.

Let's not deflect and go back to your original statement that I reacted to

Originally Posted by JPhillips

dola

Trump is now saying he'll invoke the Alien Enemies Act. The last time that was used was to intern Japanese during WW2.

Wonder if Dutch still thinks I'm overreacting to be nervous about my Chinese daughter's future.

I'll ask for a fourth time ...

But let's get back to your original worry about your legally adopted, naturalized daughter. Explain to me how she will be threatened with expulsion, imprisonment/internment etc.

[JPhillips]

I've done this several times.

She's asked for proof of citizenship.

She doesn't have it on her, she does have her license but that doesn't prove citizenship.

She's detained.

After that I don't know what might happen. There are no details other than mass detention and deportation.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I've done this several times.

She's asked for proof of citizenship.

Tell me in what situation you see where she is asked for proof of citizenship? Layout the scenario.

[JPhillips]

Could be a traffic stop could be like stop and frisk. Could be other people call her in as suspicious. Again, there are no details so we don't know what might happen.

I need her to be ready for whatever might happen.

Mass detention camps on day 1.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Could be a traffic stop could be like stop and frisk. Could be other people call her in as suspicious. Again, there are no details so we don't know what might happen.

I need her to be ready for whatever might happen.

Mass detention camps on day 1.

Okay, specific to police car stop scenario. I've provided how I think it'll be most likely played out per police YT videos I've seen. I don't see anything wrong with it as asking for identification is what's happening now to white, black, brown, yellow etc. regardless of national origin or religion etc.

For other people reporting her because she is suspicious, happens all the time right now also. Again, see police car stop, shoplifting, public nuisance etc. scenarios. Most of the time, resolved without a big deal.

I think the main difference is you don't believe police should be asking for proof of citizenship?

[JPhillips]

There's no fucking plan!

That's the problem. You assume people will have legal remedies, but Trump hasn't said that. He's just said he's going to have the power to detain and deport and he's going to open camps on day 1. Trump hasn't said anything about a legal process playing out.

And ID isn't, for most people, proof of citizenship. A regular driver's license isn't good enough. Most people don't carry proof of citizenship on them.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by Edward64

You asked a similar question and I answered.

You clearly did not answer the question.

EDIT: I guess you answered that it doesn't effect you in any way, but you still have strong opinions about it. That's a pretty weak answer in terms of justification for camps and checkpoints.

[dubb93]

How can you so confidently argue something that zero details have been provided. At some point you need to listen to what is being said and stop filling in the blanks.

Trumps says mass detainment and deportation he means it. Mass.

Trump says the election is stolen and his people are going to go to Congress and make that point be heard. He means it. Stop filling the blanks with how you feel. Thats how we get things like Jan. 6. Listen. Don’t talk over.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

You clearly did not answer the question.

EDIT: I guess you answered that it doesn't effect you in any way, but you still have strong opinions about it. That's a pretty weak answer in terms of justification for camps and checkpoints.

Per #317, I didn't say it "doesn't effect me in any way". I said it doesn't impact by daily life (which was your orig question) but I did answer how it did impact me indirectly (e.g. not my daily life).

So, in summary. I have answered how illegal immigration impacts me (but not on a daily basis). I have also proposed the answer for you on how illegal immigration will impact you "in any significant way" ... if pathway to citizenship is realized, the 11M will affect you as a partisan Dem or Rep in significant ways in future elections.