Football Coach - The real competitor

[cupofjoe]

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The creator of Football Coach: College Dynasty has announced that he’s developing a NFL version. This will, by far, be the biggest competitor of FOF.

I own both FOF and Football Coach. FOF does have a better depth and game engine, BUT Football Coach is just smoother and the game engine isn’t that much farther away. The dangerous combo will be if the developer will alow draft imports from the college game to the NFL

In my opinion, now is the time for Jim to adapt. He needs a better interface or the game will lose. I’m rooting for FOF, but at the same time the potential of Football Coach is appealing

[INDalltheway]

Originally Posted by cupofjoe

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The creator of Football Coach: College Dynasty has announced that he’s developing a NFL version. This will, by far, be the biggest competitor of FOF.

I own both FOF and Football Coach. FOF does have a better depth and game engine, BUT Football Coach is just smoother and the game engine isn’t that much farther away. The dangerous combo will be if the developer will alow draft imports from the college game to the NFL

In my opinion, now is the time for Jim to adapt. He needs a better interface or the game will lose. I’m rooting for FOF, but at the same time the potential of Football Coach is appealing

Jim's game with Achi's ability to make a UI is the dream. He's such a great developer and so creative. This is some of the best gaming news I've seen in quite some time.

[Sweed]

I've only heard good things about FC-CD but haven't tried it myself mostly because I really don't have time to add a new game. I'd heard he was going to try pro football next and it does interest me. From what I hear and your post it sounds like the on field game is very good. Now, let's see how the rubber meets the road with the new games financial model. As it stands FOF is the only game that has come close to getting the cap and other financials right.

If "Football Coach: Pro" (or whatever it ends up being called) can't get the cap right, teams to keep players that should be kept, and the whole "Front Office" right the game will be a miss for me. I hope he can pull it off, competition is a good thing, but I'll believe it when I see it.

[INDalltheway]

Originally Posted by Sweed

I've only heard good things about FC-CD but haven't tried it myself mostly because I really don't have time to add a new game. I'd heard he was going to try pro football next and it does interest me. From what I hear and your post it sounds like the on field game is very good. Now, let's see how the rubber meets the road with the new games financial model. As it stands FOF is the only game that has come close to getting the cap and other financials right.

If "Football Coach: Pro" (or whatever it ends up being called) can't get the cap right, teams to keep players that should be kept, and the whole "Front Office" right the game will be a miss for me. I hope he can pull it off, competition is a good thing, but I'll believe it when I see it.

If anything, Achi is very open to feedback and works at a frenetic pace. His updates to his college game were consistent and on time. The game is not perfect by any means but it is so easy to play. At this point in my life that is number 1 for me. I have no doubt he'll connect the games as well for ultimate immersion.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

My working theory is Markus and Jim have rejoined forces and will come out with a new FOF some time in the future.

For whatever reason Comp2us didn't want to be saddled with American football which killed the original deal. Markus stayed on as part of the agreements of the merger. He saw that the game wasn't going to be invested in to the same degree as before so he cashed out.

Markus knows how to grow a company and there is a lot of room to grow for FOF. I think this is going to happen.

[cupofjoe]

Originally Posted by LastWhiteSoxFanStanding

My working theory is Markus and Jim have rejoined forces and will come out with a new FOF some time in the future.

For whatever reason Comp2us didn't want to be saddled with American football which killed the original deal. Markus stayed on as part of the agreements of the merger. He saw that the game wasn't going to be invested in to the same degree as before so he cashed out.

Markus knows how to grow a company and there is a lot of room to grow for FOF. I think this is going to happen.

I'd love something like this. Jim has mentioned his age several times and he seems unsure about the future of FOF. It would be great for him to partner with someone who can maybe even takeover once he feels like he has had enough.

[cupofjoe]

Originally Posted by INDalltheway

If anything, Achi is very open to feedback and works at a frenetic pace. His updates to his college game were consistent and on time. The game is not perfect by any means but it is so easy to play. At this point in my life that is number 1 for me. I have no doubt he'll connect the games as well for ultimate immersion.

I played it a lot before FOF9 came out, then took a break until a couple of weeks ago. I've started playing it again and I'm really impressed with the improvements he made during that time. It's a solid game.


I don't think there's any chance it'll ever have the depth FOF has, but it'll be interesting what he comes up with

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by INDalltheway

If anything, Achi is very open to feedback and works at a frenetic pace. His updates to his college game were consistent and on time. The game is not perfect by any means but it is so easy to play. At this point in my life that is number 1 for me. I have no doubt he'll connect the games as well for ultimate immersion.

I have read many posts from many users saying the same thing. It gives me hope that he will get the front office/financial side of the game right. Looking at Markus and OOTP. Many were in doubt of a German producing a baseball game. Luckily Markus was a good listener about both on field and front office sides of the game. Markus got a ton of things right, but there is also a lot of detail in OOTP that is there because he listened to users.

I gave DDSPF a try a couple of years ago, 2023 IIRC so after it had some time to mature. Guys like MaHomes and Stafford being released due to the cap was happening routinely in that game.

I ended my last post with "but I'll believe it when I see it.", which wasn't a dig at the developer. Rather it was said in the context of knowing how hard this is to do. I only wish him success on the project.

[Passacaglia]

I feel like I've heard a few times about this game on here. I own it, and have tried it for a few minutes, but it never really clicked with me. Not to be rude, but just asking so that it might help me get into it - what's good about it?

[INDalltheway]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I feel like I've heard a few times about this game on here. I own it, and have tried it for a few minutes, but it never really clicked with me. Not to be rude, but just asking so that it might help me get into it - what's good about it?

For me it was really easy to get into a save and has the "one more turn" quality about it. The game is straightforward and it has adapted to the modern game really well with NIL and transfers IMO.

I think it does a lot of different things really well. I like how the assistant coaches are handled and how they get promoted and progress. I also appreciated that even though it wasn't a finished product it was super playable and updates didn't nuke old saves.

[AlexB]

I played it and the one more turn thing is definitely there - it looks good, is intuitive and as others have said the progression of coaches in particular is good (not 100% convinced on the player training)

But the thing that got me was the recruiting was just a joyless grind, so if there is a pro version that is based on the same UI and framework, I would definitely give it a look

[Gallifrey]

Originally Posted by AlexB

I played it and the one more turn thing is definitely there - it looks good, is intuitive and as others have said the progression of coaches in particular is good (not 100% convinced on the player training)

But the thing that got me was the recruiting was just a joyless grind, so if there is a pro version that is based on the same UI and framework, I would definitely give it a look

The recruiting for me was a grind until I finally figured out how to manage it, now it is a hook.

I think FCCD is a good game.

FOF has such depth at play development and play calling that makes it unique. And hard to match.

The Pro version will have a lot to live up to.

On a side note... think of the dream... College Years 2... if only.

[sovereignstar v2]

Don't mention TCY 2. It really grinds Jim's gears

[Gallifrey]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

Don't mention TCY 2. It really grinds Jim's gears

I know!

[Passacaglia]

Just take TCY, update it with new conferences, and take my money (or allow conference changes within a game and take twice my money). Sheesh.

[sovereignstar v2]

Bro, I'm feeling you. I can't contain my giddyness when I'm setting up a custom league for Football Coach College and scoping out the modern offenses, installing logos, and modifying bowl game affiliations. I love all that stuff.

Bottom line though, is that the game engine isn't there and I still much prefer the UI and flow of TCY and that's why I'm still playing it. The rigidness, while frustrating at times, lends itself to stability and a very realistic experience. Jim put time into getting the scheduling really good, that much is obvious. I just get frustrated with the old offenses, the lack of graphics, and locked bowl affiliations.

[james17]

Originally Posted by LastWhiteSoxFanStanding

My working theory is Markus and Jim have rejoined forces and will come out with a new FOF some time in the future.

For whatever reason Comp2us didn't want to be saddled with American football which killed the original deal. Markus stayed on as part of the agreements of the merger. He saw that the game wasn't going to be invested in to the same degree as before so he cashed out.

Markus knows how to grow a company and there is a lot of room to grow for FOF. I think this is going to happen.

This would restore my faith in Markus if this happened. Has he left Comp2us for another venture of some type or are we just wishful thinking here?

[Haiku]

Originally Posted by james17

This would restore my faith in Markus if this happened. Has he left Comp2us for another venture of some type or are we just wishful thinking here?

I doubt it will happen, but Solecismic should be able to confirm or deny this speculation.

[NawlinsFan]

I have been playing FOF since 2007 and can only pray that Jim continues and is inspired to carry this franchise to new hieghts. I am old and would love to have some quality years in-game for whatever years I have left.

[james17]

Originally Posted by NawlinsFan

I have been playing FOF since 2007 and can only pray that Jim continues and is inspired to carry this franchise to new hieghts. I am old and would love to have some quality years in-game for whatever years I have left.

Hey, buddy, I'm an oldster too and heartily agree with you!

[snaqzaddy]

I’ve played both.

If not for my personal preference in an NFL management game, as I would rather face the challenge of a salary cap, I do believe FCCD is the better all around game.

The depth of FOF9 is pretty much the only strength IMO - UI and menu navigation is clunky as all hell. I’m new to FOF and have only played 9, so if you told me they just plopped new rosters in there every year since inception, I wouldn’t be shocked. It feels like playing an app from 2004 (which admittedly, it part of the appeal in a way lol)…

But yea, I would try the NFL Football Coach if one comes out. FOF should be prepping for some major improvements.

[drained]

If we have to be honest, FOF9 is the best NFL management sim on the market. I feel like we are still in those early days of football management, with one game trying to find its footing as the best on the market. DDSPF is the most complete, and has a storied history. It would have been nice if somehow that game wasn’t so clunky UI-wise, or that it didn’t struggle to properly understand the NFL cap.

I really hope that Football Coach finds a way to realize what Jim’s vision with OOTP Developments was. A modern NFL game, in the lane of what FM and OOTP carved out. It was obvious that Jim was all in on creating a whole football universe, and in those blog posts on the OOTP forums, he took positive reception to the idea of eventually having multiple leagues running concurrently, under different rules (So we could have had a NFL and CFL existing together per say). I think that is still super ambitious unless one is truly dedicated, and has the prowess to program such a large game.

FOF and Jim’s time is pretty much coming to a close. Do you remember when we thought we would never even get a FOF9? It’s clear that same passion that Jim had when making the OG FOF’s in a market of football moguls and other games is there for the creator of Football Coach, he just needs to actualise it.

I hope with this one (that he admits will take 2+ years to make), there is some connectivity to the college game, and that it carries a similar UI.

[Stanley92]

My hope has always been that one game will step up and provide us with a perfect game in the area of finance. We all know how important the contracts and economics are to get a good team. GMs doing summersaults with all the stuff like bonuses, front load, back load, restructure and whatever. So far games we got lack one or two of these tools that is essential to make one feel like a complete GM. Of course all kinds of tricks in trades often falls short.
The years tick on and as I read we are a large group of older blokes that has been waiting a long time. Me just on the last step before turning 70 and know I haven't got as many years left as I have been playing NFL games.
The old APBA and Strat-O-Matic cards was replaced with PC games but still I wait for that perfect released PC game.
(Graphic isn't that important but if even that would happen I can rest happy)