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[sterlingice]

What was that? On the road? Beating Oklahoma? Gotta give credit where credit is due. That was a really nice win.

SI

[Poli]

Are you kidding me?

[sterlingice]

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/recap?gid=200601100444

Missouri 71, (22) Oklahoma 69

Preview - Box Score - Recap Missouri Oklahoma

By JEFF LATZKE, AP Sports Writer
January 10, 2006

NORMAN, Okla. (AP) -- Missouri's Marshall Brown knew the strengths of Oklahoma's frontcourt tandem of Taj Gray and Kevin Bookout and used them against the Sooners.

Brown scored a career-high 21 points, including the two free throws with 1.8 seconds left that lifted Missouri to its fifth straight victory, 71-69 over No. 22 Oklahoma on Tuesday night...

[Blade6119]

are we talking about mizzou? they won a game??? Sweet jesus im happy now

[sooner333]

mizzou will be in the tournament...they are pretty good, but probably not as good as oklahoma is bad this season. they are underachieving big-time and will probably be in the nit without some turnaround, or at least a glimmer of care.

[Ragone]

Mizzou will not be in the tournament.. unless we are talking about the nit.. err that doesn't exist anymore.. this is nothing more then the annual win a few games to save quin snyder's job routine

[SackAttack]

Y'know, I like Quin as a regular joe, but the highwater mark of his coaching has to have been that blowout of Kansas in Columbia back in '00. The NCAA run as a 12-seed in what, '02, really just means that his team underperformed in the regular season that year.

As long as he's coach, it'll be tough to embrace a Missouri NCAA bid, because I know we'll be out in the round of 32 more often than not (we gave Steve Lavin shit in California, but damn if he didn't have his team in the Sweet 16 every year anyway).

[WSUCougar]

Fresh off their win over Baylor, Mizzou let the women's team play the game.

[MizzouRah]

Excellent win.. I almost made a post after ESPN cut into the game so I could watch the last few mins.

9-4 is not a bad start, even playing mostly lower calibur teams. Good win coach, now lets get on a roll. (yeah, credit where credit is due)

[vex]

Oklahoma sucks, that's what happened.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

9-4 is not a bad start, even playing mostly lower calibur teams. Good win coach, now lets get on a roll. (yeah, credit where credit is due)

Well, the big problem with their record is those awful losses and that's what will come back to haunt them come selection committee time. Sam Houston St and Davidson aren't bad but they are definitely teams that Mizzou should have beaten.

SI

[tarcone]

Snyder is a terrible coach. And mizzou is overrated. They have no clue on offense( which i think is run down and throw up a 3 as quick as possible or dont pass and try and drive) and have never heard of defense. They will be lucky to finish 500

[kcchief19]

I feel unloved

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...ad.php?t=46181

The skeptic in me says this is either a fluke or just a good run that will end soon. Quin's never been able to show the ability to motivate the team for an extended run. But regardless of how Oklahoma is playing, winning on the road in Norman is very impressive.

That said, I'm seeing some better things. The offense isn't great, but it's OK. They just about threw it away last night when Horton made the sloppy pass to McKinney that ultimately set up Brown for the game-winning foul shots. As long as somebody (McKinney, Brown, anybody) can have a good night with Gardner, this team can be competitive. I don't think they can win a shootout, but if Quin can get them to play defense they can win a few games. The mixing of defenses and playing of zone seems to be helping to slow people down a bit.

[vex]

Norman is not a tough place to play, crowds are very thin.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Well, the big problem with their record is those awful losses and that's what will come back to haunt them come selection committee time. Sam Houston St and Davidson aren't bad but they are definitely teams that Mizzou should have beaten.

SI

Agreed, but maybe (not holding breath) Quinn is learning something and this team is starting to have an identity? At least one can hope.

[sooner333]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

The skeptic in me says this is either a fluke or just a good run that will end soon. Quin's never been able to show the ability to motivate the team for an extended run. But regardless of how Oklahoma is playing, winning on the road in Norman is very impressive.

Wrong, 4,000 empty seats and students on break combined with an OU team playing terribly does not rank as an above average road win. I would put it up there with A&M or Nebraska. We just aren't very good right now.

[Cuckoo]

I have to disagree with my fellow Sooner fans. While I readily admit that OU is very overrated this year, I think they're still a quality team. And winning in their house is a quality win in the Big 12, no matter which way you slice it.

[sooner333]

Originally Posted by Cuckoo

I have to disagree with my fellow Sooner fans. While I readily admit that OU is very overrated this year, I think they're still a quality team. And winning in their house is a quality win in the Big 12, no matter which way you slice it.

We could be good, we need to turn it around, and find a style that's going to work against a zone defense...hasn't happened yet. We'll find out pretty soon if we can turn it around like last year, or if it's going to be more like two years ago.

[JeeberD]

This makes me feel better about the Miners chances against SMU tonight. I've been awfully worries ever since I saw that SMU only lost to OU by three the other night...

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by sooner333

Wrong, 4,000 empty seats and students on break combined with an OU team playing terribly does not rank as an above average road win. I would put it up there with A&M or Nebraska. We just aren't very good right now.

I'm not saying Lloyd Nobe is Cameron Indoor, but OU has lost six home games in the last five years, and I imagine their record is even better when ranked against an unranked opponent, winter break or not. Oklahoma and Kelvin Sampson are too good to let that make a difference; they want to defend that home floor, and OU has never been known to shy away from manhandling people at home.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Snyder is a terrible coach. And mizzou is overrated. They have no clue on offense( which i think is run down and throw up a 3 as quick as possible or dont pass and try and drive) and have never heard of defense. They will be lucky to finish 500

Somebody hasn't been watching Mizzou's games this year.

MU is currently one of the best 3 point shooting teams in the conference. Their leading scorer is hitting 47% of his 3 point attempts. Their defensive FG% is also very good. Kevin Young is now showing that he is one of the top 3 centers in the league, averaging nearly a double-double, shooting 50% from the field and over 70% from the line. They are using more of Coach Meyer's offensive philosophy in this year's offense and it seems to be paying big dividends in shooting percentage both inside and outside the arc.

Consider this.......MU only has to go 8-6 in the rest of the conference games to reach the 10 win plateau, which has always been the general benchmark for NCAA play depending on B12 tourney results. Also, MU will only play 27 games in the regular season, so their win percentage with 17 or 18 wins will be higher than most other teams with similar win totals who have played 30 games this season.

As Coach Sampson said, this MU team is not the same team that was playing in December. Certainly nothing is guaranteed, but this kind of a start opens up a lot of possibilities for a team that suddenly has a winning percentage of .692 and had no business being in this good of a situation only 5 games ago after a 32 point loss to Illinois.

[tarcone]

It's Quin Snyder. they will be lucky to go 8-6 the rest of the way.
i cant understand why Duke disciples are terrible head coaches.

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

This makes me feel better about the Miners chances against SMU tonight. I've been awfully worries ever since I saw that SMU only lost to OU by three the other night...

Dude, OU must be worse than I thought. SMU was never even really in the game last night...

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Somebody hasn't been watching Mizzou's games this year.

MU is currently one of the best 3 point shooting teams in the conference. Their leading scorer is hitting 47% of his 3 point attempts. Their defensive FG% is also very good. Kevin Young is now showing that he is one of the top 3 centers in the league, averaging nearly a double-double, shooting 50% from the field and over 70% from the line. They are using more of Coach Meyer's offensive philosophy in this year's offense and it seems to be paying big dividends in shooting percentage both inside and outside the arc.

Consider this.......MU only has to go 8-6 in the rest of the conference games to reach the 10 win plateau, which has always been the general benchmark for NCAA play depending on B12 tourney results. Also, MU will only play 27 games in the regular season, so their win percentage with 17 or 18 wins will be higher than most other teams with similar win totals who have played 30 games this season.

As Coach Sampson said, this MU team is not the same team that was playing in December. Certainly nothing is guaranteed, but this kind of a start opens up a lot of possibilities for a team that suddenly has a winning percentage of .692 and had no business being in this good of a situation only 5 games ago after a 32 point loss to Illinois.

I am a huge Mizzou fan and still think you are wearing some gold-colored glasses if you think 17 or 18 of Mizzou's wins gets them in the NCAA tournament. The Big 12 is not good this year.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by panerd

I am a huge Mizzou fan and still think you are wearing some gold-colored glasses if you think 17 or 18 of Mizzou's wins gets them in the NCAA tournament. The Big 12 is not good this year.

Note that is only at the end of the regular season without any games in the B12 tourney. They obviously need to win at least one and probably two games in the B12 tourney to bump that total up to 19-20 wins.

[kcchief19]

I think the heart of B-ball's original suggestion is that 10 conference wins usually gets you into the tournament. Only three 10-win teams in Big XII history haven't mad the tournament, and one of those was Texas Tech who I believe wasn't eligible for postseason play that year voluntarily. 11 wins is virtually automatic -- even in a watered down Big XII. So by that theory, 17-18 wins would almost be a lock for the NCAA.

That said, going 8-6 or 9-5 the rest of the way is putting the cart before the horse. I'm seeing better things from this team, but I need to know that this isn't just a good week of play and next week everyone is back standing around on offense and loosing their players on defense. The zone is working, but mostly because Oklahoma and OSU combined to shoot 20 percent from three against the Tigers. If the Tigers can mix in the zone effectively and keep teams from breaking it with threes, they can win some games -- not a lot, but some.

[panerd]

We are being doubled up by Baylor at the half! Fucking Baylor! This has got to be rock bottom doesn't it? Please tell me that Quin has resigned at the half. I was a supporter, but he has completely lost control of this team. Awful times. I remember when I would plan my weeknight around a Mizzou game, now it is just sad news in the background.

I took Mizzou -4.5 in the second half though. We have to close this thing to within 17 don't we? How can Norm Stewert announce the game without just going off?

(The only positive at all this season is 1-0 vs. KU. How sweet would two wins be against them? They pull that shit against us all the time in football!)

[sooner333]

well, i'm officially heating up the oven for some crow on this team.

[MizzouRah]

I was excited when he was hired, I'm not going to lie... but if he's not fired after this game, the AD needs to go with him. Baylor did beat Kansas St., but Quinn has definitly lost this team. He looks like he hasn't slept in days as well.

27 point lead now.. wow....

[sterlingice]

There's something to be said for nothing being gained with an inseason firing, tho.

SI

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

The skeptic in me says this is either a fluke or just a good run that will end soon. Quin's never been able to show the ability to motivate the team for an extended run.

Unfortunately, my fears are realized. I thought Texas Tech was the unofficial end of the Quin Snyder Era, but last night was The End. Let's start making out coaching lists.

SI, in my heart I agree that you usually gain nothing with an in-season firing, but you have three former D-I coaches on the bench. You gain nothing from letting Quin finish the season. Letting him go you send a signal -- mediocrity will not be tolerated. Maybe it even sparks the team to play a bit better, knowing they are auditioning for a new coach. Playing to save Quin's job hasn't motivated -- maybe playing to save their own jobs will.

The bad news is that the cupboard is also empty. It will take a new coach a couple of seasons to recover from the last few years of Quin, especially if Gardner leaves at the end of the season, which I think is a foregone conclusion. That pretty much leaves Marshall Brown as the team next year.

That said, it's college sports and I know the signal firing a coach sends about a college -- it's usually not a good sign. But in this case, how could it possibly hurt? It won't happen, but I wouldn't blame Alden for pulling the trigger or Quin just quitting -- God knows his team has.

[WSUCougar]

Not to rub salt in the wound, but isn't Baylor the team with the Dave Bliss fiasco, murder, and subsequent bottoming out of the program?

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Not to rub salt in the wound, but isn't Baylor the team with the Dave Bliss fiasco, murder, and subsequent bottoming out of the program?

Yes, but they're not that bad. Really.

This was their 9th game of the year. They weren't allowed to play any non-conference games so they had to start their season against major conference opponents in midseason form while they were still getting their legs under them.

I honestly feel like Baylor, playing under the same rules as the rest of the conference this year, would have been a middle-of-the-pack Big 12 team. 6th or 7th in conference, IMO.

Still doesn't excuse losing by 26 points to a team that did in fact have to deal with those disadvantages.

[Cuckoo]

I still maintain that Missouri is a capable, if not pretty good in a down Big 12, team. And that is what makes this loss so bad. I agree with Huck that Baylor isn't completely horrible, but there's still no excuse to lose to them that badly. I think Missouri, with what their players are capable of, should be a NCAA tournament team.

So although I've never really had a major opinion on him either way, I have to agree that this kind of inconsistency has to fall on Quinn.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by Cuckoo

I still maintain that Missouri is a capable, if not pretty good in a down Big 12, team. And that is what makes this loss so bad. I agree with Huck that Baylor isn't completely horrible, but there's still no excuse to lose to them that badly. I think Missouri, with what their players are capable of, should be a NCAA tournament team.

That's just because we beat Oklahoma at Lloyd Noble.

This is an 11-18 team that picked up some out of conference wins thanks to a horrible schedule -- a good team would have gone at least 9-2 out of conference with this schedule -- and played really well for two weeks and knocked off OU, OSU and KU. Since then, it's been six straight double-digit losses. The two-week winning stretch was the fluke, not this six-game losing streak.

In theory, we're the 11th best team in the Big XII, but we got blown out last night by the worst team in the Big XII. Baylor is not as bad as they were and they are not Texas A&M bad, but they will be lucky to win 4 conference games. Losing to a team like that the way K-State did -- on a bad night at the buzzer -- is one thing, but getting trounced like they did last night is another.

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

Baylor is not as bad as they were and they are not Texas A&M bad, but they will be lucky to win 4 conference games.

I'd be careful there. A&M is also improved and will probably be favored at Missouri in a couple of weeks.

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

In theory, we're the 11th best team in the Big XII, but we got blown out last night by the worst team in the Big XII. Baylor is not as bad as they were and they are not Texas A&M bad, but they will be lucky to win 4 conference games. Losing to a team like that the way K-State did -- on a bad night at the buzzer -- is one thing, but getting trounced like they did last night is another.

I think, if I had to rank the Big 12 teams on talent and where I would expect them to be in the rankings (with the usual caveat that it never works out that way), I'd put Missouri behind Texas, OU, Kansas, OSU and Colorado. Granted, I don't watch every game of course, but from what I've seen, I like Missouri's starting 5 better than KSU, Nebraska, Texas Tech and Iowa State.

Just my opinion, and probably a less-informed one than somebody who watches quite a bit of Missouri basketball.

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

That's just because we beat Oklahoma at Lloyd Noble.

Oh, and I should say that I'm a bit of an enigma. Even though I'm a rabid OU football fan, I pay far more attention and root for OSU basketball. I get plenty of strange looks for it, but it comes down to the fact that I grew up an OU fan and then went to OSU because they gave me more money. I was there when they went to the Final Four in '95, and it was just an amazing experience. I got caught up in it and have rooted for them since.

I like OU and root for them, but I don't watch near as many OU games as I do OSU. To the chagrin of most of my friends, I'll be cheering OSU tonight in Bedlam.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Cuckoo

I think, if I had to rank the Big 12 teams on talent and where I would expect them to be in the rankings (with the usual caveat that it never works out that way), I'd put Missouri behind Texas, OU, Kansas, OSU and Colorado. Granted, I don't watch every game of course, but from what I've seen, I like Missouri's starting 5 better than KSU, Nebraska, Texas Tech and Iowa State.

Just my opinion, and probably a less-informed one than somebody who watches quite a bit of Missouri basketball.

If it's the team that beat KU, then yes at least on par with those last 4 teams, but this team is VERY inconsistant and last nights team couldn't beat my TCB Central Arkansas team.

[sterlingice]

Yet, I'm still a tad scared of them coming to Allen Fieldhouse because that game is all Mizzou has left on the schedule that they could get up for, looking like they do. It seems like such a trap game for us.

SI

[panerd]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Yet, I'm still a tad scared of them coming to Allen Fieldhouse because that game is all Mizzou has left on the schedule that they could get up for, looking like they do. It seems like such a trap game for us.

SI

If we were to go 3-0 against you guys I may be in favor of keeping Quin around. He is the anti-Pinkel. Pinkel usually wins the games he should, rarely wins ones he shouldn't, and never beats Kansas. Quin often wins games we should have no chance in, often loses games we should easily win, and does pretty well against the chickenhawks.

[TazFTW]

Quin Snyder has resigned.

[Cuckoo]

Saw this thread bumped and knew that was what it was. I hadn't heard the news yet, but said to myself, "I bet Quin resigned."

[SackAttack]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2326174

[MizzouRah]

Na, Na.... Na, Na.. Na, Na.. hey, hey, hey..... goodbye!

Good luck Quinn, wherever you may end up. I think we'll see him again.