New Big Stick

Fritz · 05-08-2003, 10:12 AM

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories...3661&ran=90189

Fritz · 05-08-2003, 10:16 AM

http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-02751sy0may08,0,74247.story?coll=dp%2Dheadlines%2Dtopnews

sachmo71 · 05-08-2003, 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by Fritz
http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-02...ines%2Dtopnews

Would you believe that I'm to lazy to copy and paste the second link into another window? Shame on me...

Franklinnoble · 05-08-2003, 11:16 AM

You know, I'm generally considered a right-wing conservative republican type, but even I have a hard time seeing the need for a new aircraft carrier. What's the justification here? Is there any doubt that our existing fleet is anything but overwhelmingly superior to, well, probably all the other navies in the world combined?

sachmo71 · 05-08-2003, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by Franklinnoble
You know, I'm generally considered a right-wing conservative republican type, but even I have a hard time seeing the need for a new aircraft carrier. What's the justification here? Is there any doubt that our existing fleet is anything but overwhelmingly superior to, well, probably all the other navies in the world combined?

But I'm pretty sure it was paid for years ago. They can't really do much except bring it on line and replace some of the older ones.

Fritz · 05-08-2003, 12:06 PM

The new carrier is coming on line to replace the Connie, a 40 year old warship.

The need for fleet carriers of this type is projected to decline over the next 50 years as smaller aircraft and smartship technology take hold. But until then, we need the capabilities a ship like the Reagan to project our interests.

It is true that our Navy is much more powerfull than any other navy, but antiship warfare is not really what we ask the carriers to do. Perhaps AE can expand on this.

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Originally posted by sachmo71
But I'm pretty sure it was paid for years ago. They can't really do much except bring it on line and replace some of the older ones.

Mostly.

If anyone is interest in the fasinating world of carrier aquisition I suggest this link.

dacman · 05-08-2003, 12:07 PM

Actually, there is yet another still under construction (The George H.W. Bush -- ack!).

I think the plan is to retire the older non-Nimitz class carriers (Enterprise, Constellation, Kitty Hawk). I believe all 3 of those have been in service right around 40 years.

Fritz · 05-08-2003, 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by dacman
Actually, there is yet another still under construction (The George H.W. Bush).

There is?

dacman · 05-08-2003, 12:15 PM

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/...ush/naming.txt

Fritz · 05-08-2003, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by dacman
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/...ush/naming.txt

"under construction" is a generous term.

dacman · 05-08-2003, 12:44 PM

Yeah, "planned" construction is probably more accurate.

MizzouRah · 05-08-2003, 01:11 PM

Just reading my employer's name (Northrop Grumman) makes me smile. Is our stock going up yet?

Todd

sachmo71 · 05-08-2003, 01:11 PM

I can't wait to see the USS Grover Cleveland hit the seas. Talk about intimidation!

Franklinnoble · 05-08-2003, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by MizzouRah
Just reading my employer's name (Northrop Grumman) makes me smile. Is our stock going up yet?

Todd

I have a canoe made by Northrop Grumman. I wouldn't try to land an F-18 on it, though.

Fritz · 05-08-2003, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by sachmo71
I can't wait to see the USS Grover Cleveland hit the seas. Talk about intimidation!

What would be wrong with a Cleveland?

Samdari · 05-08-2003, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by MizzouRah
Just reading my employer's name (Northrop Grumman) makes me smile. Is our stock going up yet?

Umm, half my 401(k) is in NG stock, so I have this to say:

GET BACK TO WORK!

Fonzie · 05-08-2003, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by Fritz
What would be wrong with a Cleveland Steamer?

Plenty.

MizzouRah · 05-08-2003, 02:07 PM

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I have a canoe made by Northrop Grumman. I wouldn't try to land an F-18 on it, though.

It's the best damn canoe on the market, maybe a glider can land on it?

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Umm, half my 401(k) is in NG stock, so I have this to say:

GET BACK TO WORK!

I do too. We are as busy as heck, good thing I'm in IT.

Todd

Butter · 05-08-2003, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by Samdari
Umm, half my 401(k) is in NG stock, so I have this to say:

GET BACK TO WORK!

With all due respect, did you guys learn nothing from Enron?

MizzouRah · 05-08-2003, 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by Butter_of_69
With all due respect, did you guys learn nothing from Enron?

Who's Enron?

Todd

tucker342 · 05-08-2003, 03:46 PM

Could they pick a worse name for a carrier? The George H.W. Bush? Terrible!!!

Reagan is also a pretty bad name, but not as bad...

Fritz · 05-09-2003, 01:20 AM

something you probably wont see in the news:

[edited to hide names & such]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Yesterday afternoon we suffered a tremendous loss, one of ours, John Smith became ill while supporting the RONALD REAGAN Builders Trials and passed away later in the evening at [a] Hospital after being transported from the ship by helo.

Having the ship at sea has made getting some of the exact details more difficult and bits and pieces of details have been coming in this morning.

Mr. Wingfield and his folks in XXXXX have been doing all the right things this morning to make sure that John's family and relations are being given the proper information and care. We can all be proud of the care and compassion they are showing for the family as they feel the loss closer and keener than most.

There are a lot of people outside XXXX that are missing Mr. Smith this morning. John worked very closely with our local XXXX and "his" Marines providing security here at XXXX, both of the organizations are taking the loss very hard. Our XXXXXX Commander, VADM Gosnold just called me to send
his personal condolences as well.

I had the occasion to speak with John on the mess decks of the Ronald Reagan just a few hours before his death. At that point he was still feeling well, his spirits were extremely high and he was very PROUD of the contributions that all of you made to help build such a fine warship for the navy and he expressed gratitude for being given the opportunity to take part.

Mr. Wingfield will keep us all informed of future arrangements and our opportunity to help the family.

Very Respectfully,
CAPT Ratcliffe

05-08-2003, 10:16 AM	#2
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-02751sy0may08,0,74247.story?coll=dp%2Dheadlines%2Dtopnews __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

05-08-2003, 12:07 PM	#7
dacman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: speak to the trout	Actually, there is yet another still under construction (The George H.W. Bush -- ack!). I think the plan is to retire the older non-Nimitz class carriers (Enterprise, Constellation, Kitty Hawk). I believe all 3 of those have been in service right around 40 years. __________________ No signatures allowed.

05-08-2003, 12:15 PM	#9
dacman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: speak to the trout	http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/...ush/naming.txt __________________ No signatures allowed.

05-08-2003, 12:44 PM	#11
dacman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: speak to the trout	Yeah, "planned" construction is probably more accurate. __________________ No signatures allowed.

05-08-2003, 01:11 PM	#12
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Just reading my employer's name (Northrop Grumman) makes me smile. Is our stock going up yet? Todd Last edited by MizzouRah : 05-08-2003 at 01:12 PM.

05-08-2003, 11:16 AM	#4
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	You know, I'm generally considered a right-wing conservative republican type, but even I have a hard time seeing the need for a new aircraft carrier. What's the justification here? Is there any doubt that our existing fleet is anything but overwhelmingly superior to, well, probably all the other navies in the world combined?

05-08-2003, 01:11 PM	#13
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	I can't wait to see the USS Grover Cleveland hit the seas. Talk about intimidation!

05-08-2003, 03:46 PM	#21
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	Could they pick a worse name for a carrier? The George H.W. Bush? Terrible!!! Reagan is also a pretty bad name, but not as bad...

05-09-2003, 01:20 AM	#22
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	something you probably wont see in the news: [edited to hide names & such] Ladies and Gentlemen, Yesterday afternoon we suffered a tremendous loss, one of ours, John Smith became ill while supporting the RONALD REAGAN Builders Trials and passed away later in the evening at [a] Hospital after being transported from the ship by helo. Having the ship at sea has made getting some of the exact details more difficult and bits and pieces of details have been coming in this morning. Mr. Wingfield and his folks in XXXXX have been doing all the right things this morning to make sure that John's family and relations are being given the proper information and care. We can all be proud of the care and compassion they are showing for the family as they feel the loss closer and keener than most. There are a lot of people outside XXXX that are missing Mr. Smith this morning. John worked very closely with our local XXXX and "his" Marines providing security here at XXXX, both of the organizations are taking the loss very hard. Our XXXXXX Commander, VADM Gosnold just called me to send his personal condolences as well. I had the occasion to speak with John on the mess decks of the Ronald Reagan just a few hours before his death. At that point he was still feeling well, his spirits were extremely high and he was very PROUD of the contributions that all of you made to help build such a fine warship for the navy and he expressed gratitude for being given the opportunity to take part. Mr. Wingfield will keep us all informed of future arrangements and our opportunity to help the family. Very Respectfully, CAPT Ratcliffe __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

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