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Location: The Black Hole
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Oral sex distracts cop!
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Again, since I don't access FOFC at work anymore, I'm surprised someone else didn't post this...must be the angst. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15034414/ |
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TX
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serves him right. too damn cheap to pay
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
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A year in jail sounds like too light a punishment for what is, in effect, using your position as a police officer to rape someone.
I don't know if I find that more or less abhorrent than just pulling out a gun and telling a woman to go down on you or you will shoot her. Actually, I do. I find it more abhorrent. The people of Mass. each gave up a portion of their freedom and sovereignty1 to the State for the greater good of the society. In this case, to give the state certain police powers deemed necessary to maintain order. This officer abused that sovereignty in order to force a woman to suck his dick. It's disgusting. It's a gross abuse of the public trust and makes a mockery of the individual freedoms and rights that we choose to give to the State. It's like he took a crap on every citizen of Mass. just so he could get his rocks off. Considering the steroid infused criminal sentences emblematic of contemporary criminal law, giving this guy a year in jail indicates, to me, that using the power of the public trust to rape someone is not really seen as that bad in the eyes of the law. It should be. 1This freedom and sovereignty comes, of course, from God (if you are inclined in that direction) or from our natural state as sentient beings (if you are inclined in that direction). Either way, it is pretty fundamental to who we are. Indeed, I would argue that our freedom (either as creatures of God or as sentient beings) is THE THING that makes us who we are. It is, not to put too fine a point on it, the power from which self derives. |
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Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep
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Weird legal side-question to this story (and I am asking in all seriousness, although the potential for snide responses is admittedly huge):
Since a prostitute makes her living out of performing sexual services, couldn't this be ruled as extortion rather than rape? Or both?
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chicagoland
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Just had a case similar to this in Chicago. In Chicago's case, several vice squad officers apparently repeatedly shook down a group of drug dealers for money, drugs, etc.... They were caught and disciplined (court case may still be pending, can't remember) for, basically, "abusing their position".
I'm not a lawyer, but I wonder if in both cases the reason it's not a more "normal" charge (rape, burglary) is that the plaintiff is otherwise engaged in an illegal activity? |
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Cicero
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The court cannot legitimize prostitution by making this a mere theft of services by use of force (or abuse of power). Comparing this to extorting someone for free meals is making prostitution as legitimate a business as a donut shop. The courts cannot do that. Since the clearly established (and often ignored) legal principle is that sexual history does not mean a woman loses the right to say no, the fact that she sold blow jobs 5 minutes before the cop shows up does not mean she cannot be raped. It's rape, no ifs ands or buts. And albion - I agree that a year seems light, but that ignores the other punishment. Being stripped of all means with which to pursue your chosen profession (this guy would have a tough time getting work as a security guard) is pretty hefty punishment. He has had the rest of his life ruined, deservedly so.
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: South Bend, IN
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I think the question of rape may get into the whole "is oral sex really sex?" thing. Since I'm not a lawyer (particularly not one practicing in MA) and haven't read the state statutes, I don't know how they treat forced oral sex vis-a-vis forced intercourse.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
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Most states (I am not sure about Mass.) have laws against "sexual assault" that have penalties identical to rape. Those laws, in effect, cover forced oral and anal sex. Though I am sure with all of the states out there and all of the variations of horrible things you can do to someone sexually, there are quirky examples of penalties that tend not to make sense. Sometimes, these laws evolve over time and end up not really being consistent until someone comes in and cleans them up. |
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Here and There
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Corrupt Boston policemen using their position for personal gain? Next you'll tell me that Catholic priests are molesting young boys.
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Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: York, Pa
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SO because he was a cop and not a fry guy at Burger King losing his job means its okay to give him a lighter jail sentance than if he had done just about any othe profession and been in this situation?
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Well, the fry guy is not in a position to arrest her. You cannot compare this to someone in any other profession having done it. A cop is in a unique position to threaten her. Also, I have never read about part of a plea bargain being that someone would agree never to make fries in a given state. That guy would not have been in a position to commit this crime, and denying him the fry basket would not be denying him the opportunity to commit it again. I am not trying to argue that the sentence was fair. I am just saying when you are trying to evaluate whether or not the punishment was appropriate, just that when evaluating that, you have to consider the whole punishment, not just the year in jail. Feel free to feel that's not enough, just don't call it "all he got was a year in jail."
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: The Black Hole
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Gimme a blowjob or I spit in your burger!
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Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: York, Pa
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I guess you need better comparisons because you took the fry guy one too literally. What I am saying is that if the guy gets fired from his job as a cop he shouldnt be given a lesser sentance than anybody else who would force a girl into a BJ. He cant be a cop again, so its okay to give him fewer years in jail than the Bank manager who forces his secretary to give him a hummer at lunch everyday? Its a bigger deal that the cop cant perform the profession of his choice more so than the guy who cant manage banks in that state anymore? Use whatever example you want, the guy shouldnt get fewer years in jail because he was a cop than anybody else doing any other job would.
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Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: York, Pa
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Agreed. What if the guy was a judge? He gave the girl suspended sentances in exchange for BJs, so when he gets busted and cant be a judge anymore he should only get 6 months? Thats effectivly what you are saying when you condone a lesser jail term based on the profession of the guy committing the crime
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: South Bend, IN
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If I were going to guess, I would guess that the lighter sentence is basically because the victim is a prostitute -- the DA knows that if the case went to trial, the defense would destroy her.
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Join Date: Jan 2002
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/Sigh noone listens. I made no argument whatsoever that the punishment was appropriate. I just think people should consider the totality of the punishment when debating that. A year in jail is not the only punishment this guy faced. You may think that I took the fry guy comparison too literally, but I would have, and will continue to, shoot down comparing any job with cop who can throw someone in jail. I was trying to illustrate that cops are in a unique position than any other job, and no comparison will suffice. But, the bank manager you suggest who coerces subordinates into compromising positions by threatening non violent negative consequences, I don't think he gets charged with rape and goes to prison. His company settles a sexual harrassment suit, he gets fired and also has trouble getting a job from there on out, but he's not doing hard time unless there is some threat of physical force.
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YOu are correct, cops are in a unique position. I still contend that whether it was 1 year or 100 years, he should get the same length of jail time as anybody else. His not being able to be a cop anymore shouldnt reduce the time he gets in jail. Thats idiotic.
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Join Date: Nov 2000
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You do realize that, depending upon how it played out in court, you might be arguing that he shouldn't have done any jail time at all. Mr. Wednesday hit on a key point: the complaintant would almost certainly have been ripped to shreds by the defense. If so, you might be looking at a hung jury at best, an outright acquital at worst. Looks to me like prosecutors got him a year more than he might have gotten otherwise.
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I do realize that. If the court decides she was a prositute and decides to not give him jail time, that is their decision. All I am saying is that whatever the jail time, 0-100 years, it should be the same sentance handed down, regardless of whether the guy was a cop or not.
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Join Date: Sep 2003
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Rape? It's not like he threatened her with force. He just threatened to arrest her, unless she took care of him.
/Note: Since we don't have a sarcasm smiley, and even if we did, people still wouldn't pick up on it, I will elaborate. I think what he did was clearly a misuse of his position as an officer, and clearly it was coersion, but I don't think it would live up to the level of a felony rape. In CA the prosecution has to prove physical force was used by the perpetrator, and possibly even resistance by the victim. I'm thinking that the plea bargain they negotiated with the guy was a pretty reasonable solution. |
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Join Date: Nov 2000
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Having re-read the original article a couple of times now, I think that may actually be the case. Maybe I'm misreading the story (which is quite possible) but I think the one year is for a federal violation-of-civil-rights charge. I don't read it as him being charged with a sex crime at all; i.e., there were no state charges, just the federal one(s). And I imagine one year behind bars is actually more than the average on the same federal c.r. charges, which strike me as being more usually handled with a fine. And if he weren't a cop, there wouldn't likely have even been a charge filed (since his position of authority appears to be what created the civil rights violation in the first place).
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Seattle
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I'm not sure what levels of charges there are concerning rape, but I can see where this type of incident might not rate the same level of seriousness as a rape by threat of force or death. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
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This may all be true. Perhaps a state prosecution is forthcoming.
Now that I think about it, federal rape charges that don't involve rape on federal land are pretty rare. I doubt that they even have jurisdiction to prosecute this as a rape . . . I think that in my haste to sound smart, I came off as dumb. [insert lawyer joke here] |
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Join Date: Nov 2000
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A little looking around & I don't get the impression that there's additional charges forthcoming. " “It is a misdemeanor,” said Lopriore’s attorney, Thomas Drechsler. “I’m hoping the matter will be resolved quickly.” "
He does, however, still have an unrelated larceny charge hanging over his head (was charged but never indicted). http://news.bostonherald.com/localRe...ticleid=159462 And here's the original story on that larceny charge which involved forged timesheets. http://www.boston.com/news/local/art...il_pay_scheme/ And in a rather odd bit of Googling, this might be an article from 2004 about the same guy & his role in revitalizing youth hockey in Boston. http://www.boston.com/news/local/art...n_its_footing/
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Meanwhile, Boston also just had 3 officers arrested by the FBI for providing protection to cocaine traffickers. Cops are the biggest gang out there, anyone who's ever dealt with them as a plaintiff knows this, thus no one trusts them. Meanwhile the murder rate in Boston is soaring (doubling in the past year/two alone.) Don't think the two aren't connected. |
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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Fixed.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Concord, MA/UMass
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Yeah, Straight Outta Concord, yo!
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Join Date: Oct 2002
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I don't know if you had a bad experience fighting a traffic ticket or something, but you sound a little paranoid. There is NO WAY cops or prosecutors are trying to help this guy. This kind of thing makes their jobs incredibly more difficult. It's true that cops can get out of speeding tickets, but that line for looking the other way is much, much lower than you're implying. I think a lot of times, charges are dismissed, and when people don't know or understand the reason, they think there's corrruption. It's not fair to people in law enforcement. I guess it's possible Boston cops are a special case. Generally though, cops don't have a whole lot of power. Some prosecutors tend to placate their wishes in terms what gets charged, but I think that's more of a social/wanting to be liked kind of thing. Last edited by molson : 09-29-2006 at 04:15 PM. |
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Take what you will from what I've seen, but I can discern a pattern. (Although it's not what happened, but how. They told me when they got pulled over and the cop saw they were hammered they basically slurred out "Wait, my dad's a cop" like it's supposed to make it right. And lo and behold, it did.) Quote:
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