Tony Kornheiser says T.O. is the Devil! - Page 2

cuervo72 · 10-24-2006, 11:54 AM

Hmm, I've never heard that specifically. I'll have to give it another listen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70S7pYstGVg

Now, what *does* get my ire are the dinks who feel they have to turn into screaming messes songs like Land of Confusion or Boys of Summer.

cthomer5000 · 10-24-2006, 11:55 AM

Do any of you know anything about the legalities regarding cover songs? Geez, the original artists love it in basically every instance because they either get songwriting credits (which is where ALL the money is) or they get a flat fee up front for the use of it.

A lof of people are losing their minds over something they clearly know absolutely nothing about.

wade moore · 10-24-2006, 11:57 AM

BTW - I just checked and I *DO* know the Joan Jett song. I just have only heard the Pink song once so it just never really registered. I avoid that joke they call Sunday Night Football (besides the game itself) as much as possible.

Kodos · 10-24-2006, 11:57 AM

Or when Mariah Carey covers Bringin' On The Heartbreak.

cuervo72 · 10-24-2006, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wade moore

BTW - I just checked and I *DO* know the Joan Jett song.

I'd hope so, Joan Jett kicks ass.

cthomer5000 · 10-24-2006, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

No, this is worse, IMO. They take the exact same music and leave the chorus in there. They're basically singing a new verse melody line and lyrics over the old song and incorporating the old chorus into a new chorus that fits the new lyrics. It's like they can't evne bother to do what Vanilla Ice did 15 years ago, which was to just take the bassline, add a note, and write the rest of the song around it. He's a freaking genius compared to these people...

It's not the same music, it's a much heavier beat in the Rihanna song, and lets face it, Tainted Love sucked balls in the first place. I would say I prefer SOS by a long shot over the original, and as cuervo pointed out, the melody couldn't be more different.

cthomer5000 · 10-24-2006, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodos

Or when Mariah Carey covers Bringin' On The Heartbreak.

or "Without You"

rkmsuf · 10-24-2006, 12:02 PM

Sometimes Kysrup feels he's got to
Run away He's got to
Get away
From the pain that Rhianna drives into the heart of him

Ksyrup · 10-24-2006, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Do any of you know anything about the legalities regarding cover songs? Geez, the original artists love it in basically every instance because they either get songwriting credits (which is where ALL the money is) or they get a flat fee up front for the use of it.

A lof of people are losing their minds over something they clearly know absolutely nothing about.

I couldn't care less about the money aspects of it. I wasn't sure if this one was properly credited, but as a rule, I (as a music fan) don't care for the practice. Has nothing to do with whether Joan Jett's accountant thinks the idea is great.

Ksyrup · 10-24-2006, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

It's not the same music, it's a much heavier beat in the Rihanna song, and lets face it, Tainted Love sucked balls in the first place. I would say I prefer SOS by a long shot over the original, and as cuervo pointed out, the melody couldn't be more different.

"the beat is heavier." LOL! Yep, that makes it a whole new song!

If the melody is so great, write some new music that goes with it.

And btw, these constant database errors are seriously pissing me off. I keep losing posts I've written but can't post. And to make matters worse, we (or I) no longer have the ability to save the text of my posts anymore for some reason, so even when I see a database error coming, I'm unable to save what I wrote. Very frustrating.

BTW, sorry for the threadjack. Let's get back to our unified slamming of TO.

Ksyrup · 10-24-2006, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Sometimes Kysrup feels he's got to
Run away He's got to
Get away
From the pain that Rhianna drives into the heart of him

Something like that.

The gist of one of the posts I lost is that I don't really mind covers so much. I don't like artists like Alien Ant Farm having to use someone else's hit because they can't write one of their own, or the Bolton's of the world who do nothing more than cover songs for a living, but I enjoy good covers that pay homage to influences.

cthomer5000 · 10-24-2006, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

"the beat is heavier." LOL! Yep, that makes it a whole new song!

If the melody is so great, write some new music that goes with it.

And btw, these constant database errors are seriously pissing me off. I keep losing posts I've written but can't post. And to make matters worse, we (or I) no longer have the ability to save the text of my posts anymore for some reason, so even when I see a database error coming, I'm unable to save what I wrote. Very frustrating.

BTW, sorry for the threadjack. Let's get back to our unified slamming of TO.

They really sound nothing alike. Here they are toghether, 30 seconds of each.

http://www.somethingwithanh.com/mp3/tainted_sos.mp3

cuervo72 · 10-24-2006, 12:12 PM

Just for the record, Soft Cell wasn't the first to perform the song anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tainted_Love

(hmm, I'd like to hear the Marc Bolan version...funny that should pop up considering I just looked for and am listening to Get It On (had also been done by Gloria Jones))

cthomer5000 · 10-24-2006, 12:16 PM

Had no idea that Soft Cell's version was a cover. Now they suck even more to me, and also kind of blows up Kysrup's whole point.

Mustang · 10-24-2006, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Holy crap, your right. This is the reason I don't deal with the Devil or Mr. Jones.

What about the Devil in Miss Jones?

Of course, that is 70s porn and in 70s porn they have large bushes. Comparing 70s to 2000 porn it's like watching the deforestation of the amazon jungle...

KWhit · 10-24-2006, 12:38 PM

Soft Cell's Tainted Love was a GREAT SONG!

I have a couple of great make-out memories associated very closely with that song and you fuckers better stop criticizing it!!!!!

IT'S ART! ART I TELL YOU!!!!

rkmsuf · 10-24-2006, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

Soft Cell's Tainted Love was a GREAT SONG!

I have a couple of great make-out memories associated very closely with that song and you fuckers better stop criticizing it!!!!!

IT'S ART! ART I TELL YOU!!!!

that song does not bring teh sexy back

KWhit · 10-24-2006, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

that song does not bring teh sexy back

I respectfully disagree.

Tainted Love made my mojo flow.

cuervo72 · 10-24-2006, 12:42 PM

Oh, I'm not going to diss Soft Cell, I actually like their version (and the Where Did Our Love Go mix). But I like S.O.S. too.

rkmsuf · 10-24-2006, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

I respectfully disagree.

Tainted Love made my mojo flow.

you are either incredibly kinky or a real weirdo

in either case I'm excited

Ksyrup · 10-24-2006, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Had no idea that Soft Cell's version was a cover. Now they suck even more to me, and also kind of blows up Kysrup's whole point.

I knew it was a cover, but had completely forgotten about it. Still, the underlying point is the same. And actually, it's even worse to borrow from the cover of an original. It's like someone using the Bowie/Jagger version of Dancing in the Streets to create a new song.

Ksyrup · 10-24-2006, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

They really sound nothing alike. Here they are toghether, 30 seconds of each.

http://www.somethingwithanh.com/mp3/tainted_sos.mp3

I think I'll just end the discussion here. That was actually worse than I remember hearing in the car last week. How you can say they sound nothing alike is beyond me. The beat is slowed down a trace and is run through a tad bit better production than the original was, I suspect, but it's the same damn thing. It even keeps the pseudo-80s synth sound to it! That's awful.

hoopsguy · 10-24-2006, 12:57 PM

This is one amazing threadjack - had no idea what I was in for when I saw there were 60+ posts on TO=devil.

Ksyrup · 10-24-2006, 12:58 PM

I apologized earlier. I need my music discussion fix and this fit the bill.

hoopsguy · 10-24-2006, 01:00 PM

Ksyrup, wasn't really a complaint - just amused at what had unfolded here.

Ksyrup · 10-24-2006, 01:01 PM

It happens. I'm more sorry it was an off-topic tangential rant than something completely off the wall and bizarre. I enjoy those kinds of threadjacks.

wade moore · 10-24-2006, 01:02 PM

FWIW - I realized I paid so little attention to Pink's song the one time I heard it, that I didn't even pay attention to the lyrics to notice they were different.. I was too busy wondering wtf it had to do with football having a woman with pink hair singing beforehand.

Kodos · 10-24-2006, 01:04 PM

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that:

a) Ksyrup has never listened to Def Leppard's covers album Yeahthat was made in tribute to their 70s music influences

b) If he did, he wouldn't like it.

rkmsuf · 10-24-2006, 01:06 PM

Can you cover Diddy? Is it possible?

Ksyrup · 10-24-2006, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodos

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that:

a) Ksyrup has never listened to Def Leppard's covers album Yeahthat was made in tribute to their 70s music influences

b) If he did, he wouldn't like it.

As I mentioned earlier, I don't really have an issue with cover songs. I don't like artists that do nothing but covers, or artists whose first single is a cover, but a band that's been around as long as Def Leppard...I don't mind hearing what they were influenced by. Not at all. One of my favorite albums of all-time is Jason Falkner's double album Everyone Says It's On that has a full disc of covers (including, ironically, a not so great cover of Photograph).

To me, this is completely different. Sampling, IMO, is a bit "fraudulent" (I'm sure there's a better and less incendiary word to use, but oh well) when compared to other forms of songwriting on the continuum.

Ksyrup · 10-24-2006, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Can you cover Diddy? Is it possible?

I'm working on a purely original composition based on his song Come With Me.

KWhit · 10-24-2006, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

To me, this is completely different. Sampling, IMO, is a bit "fraudulent" (I'm sure there's a better and less incendiary word to use, but oh well) when compared to other forms of songwriting on the continuum.

I agree, and I share your frustration. I'm not sure what the process is now, but a few years ago I read an article that said that most artists using "sampling" never compensated the producers of the original source of the music. That's just theft, IMO.

rkmsuf · 10-24-2006, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

I agree, and I share your frustration. I'm not sure what the process is now, but a few years ago I read an article that said that most artists using "sampling" never compensated the producers of the original source of the music. That's just theft, IMO.

"You can't copyright no beats man."

cuervo72 · 10-24-2006, 01:30 PM

Well, I enjoy hearing the influence anyway, even if it could be acknowledged somewhere that the inspiration was.

Speaking of soundalikes (and I know I've brought it up before), I like the similarities between these two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NSncP-hdEg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2VktozqkSc

cthomer5000 · 10-24-2006, 01:55 PM

I mean, this shit is way more honest than what Zeppelin did.

Ksyrup · 10-24-2006, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

I mean, this shit is way more honest than what Zeppelin did.

I agree in some respects, but that's a hell of a rationalization.

Grammaticus · 10-24-2006, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

I mean, this shit is way more honest than what Zeppelin did.

Why, because it has been litigated to a point where it is now an established process?

cthomer5000 · 10-24-2006, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I agree in some respects, but that's a hell of a rationalization.

You used the word continium in your post, which is what made me think along those lines. A legally cleared sample is WORLDS better than simply stealing shit, and a couple of people in this thread don't seem to understand the difference.

Desnudo · 10-24-2006, 02:32 PM

Things I've learned from this thread:

Ksyrup is definitely Joan Jett's brother
KWhit enjoys slightly deviant sex, like maybe in public places
The MNF booth still sucks
Puff-Daddy is spelled with a hypen

rkmsuf · 10-24-2006, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Things I've learned from this thread:

Ksyrup is definitely Joan Jett's brother
KWhit enjoys slightly deviant sex, like maybe in public places
The MNF booth still sucks
Puff-Daddy is spelled with a hypen

There is no Puff-Daddy. It's Diddy. Diddy!

Ksyrup · 10-24-2006, 02:45 PM

Probably has a lot to do with the fact that I Love Rock n Roll is the first song on Guitar Hero, and my daughter has been constantly playing that particular song trying to figure out how to play the game.

cuervo72 · 10-24-2006, 02:57 PM

It's too bad he changed his name, Puff Daddy would have been a GREAT cereal.

BrianD · 10-24-2006, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

I agree, and I share your frustration. I'm not sure what the process is now, but a few years ago I read an article that said that most artists using "sampling" never compensated the producers of the original source of the music. That's just theft, IMO.

Like most copyright issues, the original artists would have to sue to get their compensation. I seem to remember some group like The Verve receiving no money off of one of their big hits because of a bad sample.

What was it that Zeppelin did?

Ksyrup · 10-24-2006, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianD

Like most copyright issues, the original artists would have to sue to get their compensation. I seem to remember some group like The Verve receiving no money off of one of their big hits because of a bad sample.

What was it that Zeppelin did?

Yeah, Bittersweet Symphony was a total ripoff and they lost pretty much any profits from it.

LZ ripped off several Willie Dixon songs on LZ I and II, I think it was. He won a large settlement in the 80s and I believe is now properly credited on the albums.

Grammaticus · 10-25-2006, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Yeah, Bittersweet Symphony was a total ripoff and they lost pretty much any profits from it.

LZ ripped off several Willie Dixon songs on LZ I and II, I think it was. He won a large settlement in the 80s and I believe is now properly credited on the albums.

I was going to say Willie Dixon got paid and put on the mainstream map due to Zeppelin's covers like "I can't quit you". Best thing that ever happened to him.

Zeppelin also gets accused of taking words or portions of blues staples from other songs. Like references to lemon juice, etc. Musically, nothing of Zeppelins sounds anything like what they are accused of copying. The Willie Dixon examples are legitimate covers as the lyrics are largely the same. So Dixon was definately due some compensation, in my opinion.

cuervo72 · 11-02-2006, 08:48 AM

Bump (continuing the old threadjack). I heard this on the radio today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2m03fSgWw0

And it reminded me again that it never fails to remind me of this (though more upbeat):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFbDhbl3QPY

10-24-2006, 12:02 PM	#58
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Sometimes Kysrup feels he's got to Run away He's got to Get away From the pain that Rhianna drives into the heart of him __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

10-24-2006, 12:12 PM	#63
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Just for the record, Soft Cell wasn't the first to perform the song anyway. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tainted_Love (hmm, I'd like to hear the Marc Bolan version...funny that should pop up considering I just looked for and am listening to Get It On (had also been done by Gloria Jones)) __________________ null

10-24-2006, 12:42 PM	#69
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Oh, I'm not going to diss Soft Cell, I actually like their version (and the Where Did Our Love Go mix). But I like S.O.S. too. __________________ null

10-24-2006, 12:58 PM	#74
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I apologized earlier. I need my music discussion fix and this fit the bill. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-24-2006, 01:01 PM	#76
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	It happens. I'm more sorry it was an off-topic tangential rant than something completely off the wall and bizarre. I enjoy those kinds of threadjacks. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-24-2006, 11:57 AM	#54
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Or when Mariah Carey covers Bringin' On The Heartbreak.

10-24-2006, 12:38 PM	#66
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Soft Cell's Tainted Love was a GREAT SONG! I have a couple of great make-out memories associated very closely with that song and you fuckers better stop criticizing it!!!!! IT'S ART! ART I TELL YOU!!!!

10-24-2006, 12:57 PM	#73
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	This is one amazing threadjack - had no idea what I was in for when I saw there were 60+ posts on TO=devil.

10-24-2006, 01:00 PM	#75
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Ksyrup, wasn't really a complaint - just amused at what had unfolded here.

10-24-2006, 01:04 PM	#78
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that: a) Ksyrup has never listened to Def Leppard's covers album Yeahthat was made in tribute to their 70s music influences b) If he did, he wouldn't like it. Last edited by Kodos : 10-24-2006 at 01:05 PM.

10-24-2006, 01:06 PM	#79
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Can you cover Diddy? Is it possible? __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

10-24-2006, 01:30 PM	#84
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Well, I enjoy hearing the influence anyway, even if it could be acknowledged somewhere that the inspiration was. Speaking of soundalikes (and I know I've brought it up before), I like the similarities between these two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NSncP-hdEg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2VktozqkSc __________________ null

10-24-2006, 02:32 PM	#89
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Things I've learned from this thread: Ksyrup is definitely Joan Jett's brother KWhit enjoys slightly deviant sex, like maybe in public places The MNF booth still sucks Puff-Daddy is spelled with a hypen

10-24-2006, 02:45 PM	#91
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Probably has a lot to do with the fact that I Love Rock n Roll is the first song on Guitar Hero, and my daughter has been constantly playing that particular song trying to figure out how to play the game. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-24-2006, 02:57 PM	#92
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	It's too bad he changed his name, Puff Daddy would have been a GREAT cereal. __________________ null

11-02-2006, 08:48 AM	#96
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Bump (continuing the old threadjack). I heard this on the radio today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2m03fSgWw0 And it reminded me again that it never fails to remind me of this (though more upbeat): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFbDhbl3QPY __________________ null

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)