Um... Wow. I think this Game Plan is broken

SirFozzie · 02-15-2007, 02:42 AM

In the WAFL MP game between Smokey Mountain and Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay was up 35-10 in the third quarter, and they start throwing just about every single play. They dominate play, but fall just short, losing 35-30.

Holy Shit Stat Line #1: The QB

Marc Dumas (37-62, 667 Yards, 4 TD, 4 INT)

Holy FUCKING Shit Stat Line #2: The WR

Kevin Savenstein Targeted 29 times, managed a mere 19 catches... for FOUR HUNDRED AND FOUR YARDS.

Now admittedly, this is skewed due to two long TD plays

3Q: 03:02 SM - Kevin Santistevan 81 pass from Marc Dumas (Seth Kerry run for conversion failed)
4Q: 02:32 SM - Kevin Santistevan 55 pass from Marc Dumas (Roosevelt Hardeman extra point)

But still.. that's Maximum Football type #'s!

jzicc · 02-15-2007, 06:13 AM

just fyi --- to save other people the time when comparing actual NFL records---

Att = 70 Dredsoe
Comp = 45 Dredsoe
Yards passing = 554 Norm Van Brocklin
Yards rcvg = 336 Willie Anderson
Passes caught = 20 TO

Ksyrup · 02-15-2007, 06:39 AM

This is a MP game, so isn't it possible that this occurred because the owner did his own tweaking of the game plan? I've never seen anything close to that playing SP as an owner who lets the AI game plan for his team. I assume you can craft all sorts of wacky offensive schemes if you want to put enough time into it. And, if you override the AI's attempt to run out the clock with a large lead with a pass-happy offense in any situation, what makes this result so surprising?

MrBigglesworth · 02-15-2007, 07:56 AM

I was under the impression that the trailing team was the one that went pass happy. Was this not the case?

Narcizo · 02-15-2007, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

I was under the impression that the trailing team was the one that went pass happy. Was this not the case?

Reading through I think that's what he meant, although it is a bit ambiguous.

Ksyrup · 02-15-2007, 08:22 AM

Tampa Bay was up 35-10 in the third quarter, and they start throwing just about every single play

I took this to mean TB should have been running the clock out instead of continuing to throw, and TB's offense ended up with ridiculous numbers. If it's the trailing team, then that's even more of a reason not to doubt the realism of it. The trailing team should be throwing every down to get back into it.

Narcizo · 02-15-2007, 08:44 AM

That's selective quoting for you. Yes, that's how what you've quoted reads but add the last bit of the first paragraph and it's clear that it's referring to Smokey Mountain.

I think.

The SM on the game log gives it away.

Ksyrup · 02-15-2007, 08:52 AM

It's not selective quoting...it's about all I carefully read to get a gist of what (I thought) he was referring to.

Like I said, if that's the case, it's even less perplexing to me. Sure. the numbers were huge, but that can happen. Suggesting those numbers are MF-like goes a bit beyond the pale. Perhaps if the QB had completed 4 of 26 passes for 845 yards and 12 TDs, with 3 sacks for -245.9471 yards, then I could understand the reference. As it stands, sounds like an injury-depleted or otherwise deficient secondary couldn't keep up with a receiver who had a big matchup advantage that the AI took advantage of on the offensive side of the ball.

Warhammer · 02-15-2007, 09:56 AM

And let's not gloss over the fact that he did throw 4 INTs. I think those came earlier in the game. Additionally, if the other team is playing 4 deep at the time, you can rack up some huge numbers.

ShaneTheMaster · 02-15-2007, 11:03 AM

Tampa Bay is my team! Does this mean I won? Haven't been able to check yet

EDIT:
Looking at the play by play, I was in a dime package on all the plays. It looks like I had a ILB who allowed 10 catches, that seems odd. I might have to look into that.
BTW, I let the AI gameplan the defense.

ShaneTheMaster · 02-15-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Tampa Bay was up 35-10 in the third quarter, and they start throwing just about every single play

I took this to mean TB should have been running the clock out instead of continuing to throw, and TB's offense ended up with ridiculous numbers. If it's the trailing team, then that's even more of a reason not to doubt the realism of it. The trailing team should be throwing every down to get back into it.

You are correct, My team (Tampa Bay) was in run-the-clock-out mode in the second half.

PiemasterUK · 02-15-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Like I said, if that's the case, it's even less perplexing to me. Sure. the numbers were huge, but that can happen. Suggesting those numbers are MF-like goes a bit beyond the pale. Perhaps if the QB had completed 4 of 26 passes for 845 yards and 12 TDs, with 3 sacks for -245.9471 yards, then I could understand the reference. As it stands, sounds like an injury-depleted or otherwise deficient secondary couldn't keep up with a receiver who had a big matchup advantage that the AI took advantage of on the offensive side of the ball.

No, that's a hugestretch to be honest. If the QB had thrown 550 yards and the receiver had 250, then I agree that it is realistic (because that kind of thing could happen in real life). But these numbers are just too far off the charts and have probably highlighted a glitch in a certain gameplan.

twothree · 02-15-2007, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

In the WAFL MP game between Smokey Mountain and Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay was up 35-10 in the third quarter, and they start throwing just about every single play. They dominate play, but fall just short, losing 35-30.

They = Smokey Mountain

While the end results seem a little unreal, the actual game log seems very possible. Tampa Bay got an early lead and started trying to run out the clock, but their last five drives were mostly three plays and punt. While Smokey Mountain went into come from behind passing mode, and dominated the game in terms of yardage and number of plays.

http://www.worldafleague.com/WAFL/box2006180127.html
http://www.worldafleague.com/WAFL/log2006180127.html

Eaglesfan27 · 02-15-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by twothree

They = Smokey Mountain

While the end results seem a little unreal, the actual game log seems very possible. Tampa Bay got an early lead and started trying to run out the clock, but their last five drives were mostly three plays and punt. While Smokey Mountain went into come from behind passing mode, and dominated the game in terms of yardage and number of plays.

http://www.worldafleague.com/WAFL/box2006180127.html
http://www.worldafleague.com/WAFL/log2006180127.html

Ahhh. That clears things up considerably. If you don't make adjustments, default gameplans will lead to MANY long passes for a team that is significantly behind. Looks like Smokey Mountain was just able to connect on quite a few of them.

twothree · 02-15-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Ahhh. That clears things up considerably. If you don't make adjustments, default gameplans will lead to MANY long passes for a team that is significantly behind. Looks like Smokey Mountain was just able to connect on quite a few of them.

Actually they only made 6 out of 19 long passes, but their medium passes (9-18 yards) connected 16 out of 23 for 319 yards is what I think drove up the yardage.

Warhammer · 02-15-2007, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twothree

Actually they only made 6 out of 19 long passes, but their medium passes (9-18 yards) connected 16 out of 23 for 319 yards is what I think drove up the yardage.

This is why I think they sat back in a 4 deep zone and Smokey Mtn took what they were given and got back in the game.

ShaneTheMaster · 02-15-2007, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warhammer

This is why I think they sat back in a 4 deep zone and Smokey Mtn took what they were given and got back in the game.

Yea, this is definitely the first time this has happened to me, as I have blown out a few other opponents this season, and have had nothing close to this happening, although my MLB is gonna get yanked from the dime package

dj_morton · 02-15-2007, 04:31 PM

Dang, I'm lucky if I pass for 300 yds!

larrymcg421 · 02-17-2007, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaneTheMaster

Tampa Bay is my team! Does this mean I won? Haven't been able to check yet

EDIT:
Looking at the play by play, I was in a dime package on all the plays. It looks like I had a ILB who allowed 10 catches, that seems odd. I might have to look into that.
BTW, I let the AI gameplan the defense.

You also had a CB that allowed 8 catches. I've seen LB's give up tons of catches, but a DB giving up that many is something I haven't seen in SP yet.

02-15-2007, 06:39 AM	#3
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	This is a MP game, so isn't it possible that this occurred because the owner did his own tweaking of the game plan? I've never seen anything close to that playing SP as an owner who lets the AI game plan for his team. I assume you can craft all sorts of wacky offensive schemes if you want to put enough time into it. And, if you override the AI's attempt to run out the clock with a large lead with a pass-happy offense in any situation, what makes this result so surprising? __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." Last edited by Ksyrup : 02-15-2007 at 06:39 AM.

02-15-2007, 08:22 AM	#6
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Tampa Bay was up 35-10 in the third quarter, and they start throwing just about every single play I took this to mean TB should have been running the clock out instead of continuing to throw, and TB's offense ended up with ridiculous numbers. If it's the trailing team, then that's even more of a reason not to doubt the realism of it. The trailing team should be throwing every down to get back into it. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

02-15-2007, 08:44 AM	#7
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	That's selective quoting for you. Yes, that's how what you've quoted reads but add the last bit of the first paragraph and it's clear that it's referring to Smokey Mountain. I think. The SM on the game log gives it away. Last edited by Narcizo : 02-15-2007 at 08:44 AM.

02-15-2007, 08:52 AM	#8
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	It's not selective quoting...it's about all I carefully read to get a gist of what (I thought) he was referring to. Like I said, if that's the case, it's even less perplexing to me. Sure. the numbers were huge, but that can happen. Suggesting those numbers are MF-like goes a bit beyond the pale. Perhaps if the QB had completed 4 of 26 passes for 845 yards and 12 TDs, with 3 sacks for -245.9471 yards, then I could understand the reference. As it stands, sounds like an injury-depleted or otherwise deficient secondary couldn't keep up with a receiver who had a big matchup advantage that the AI took advantage of on the offensive side of the ball. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

02-15-2007, 11:03 AM	#10
ShaneTheMaster High School JV Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tampa, FL	Tampa Bay is my team! Does this mean I won? Haven't been able to check yet EDIT: Looking at the play by play, I was in a dime package on all the plays. It looks like I had a ILB who allowed 10 catches, that seems odd. I might have to look into that. BTW, I let the AI gameplan the defense. __________________ ShaneTheMaster GM, Savannah Kings (WOOF2) Ex-GM, Austin Rage (USFL) Ex-GM, Cincinatti Bengals, (Replicated NFL) Ex-GM, Tampa Bay Surge, (WLAF) Last edited by ShaneTheMaster : 02-15-2007 at 11:24 AM.

02-15-2007, 06:13 AM	#2
jzicc H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Dec 2006	just fyi --- to save other people the time when comparing actual NFL records--- Att = 70 Dredsoe Comp = 45 Dredsoe Yards passing = 554 Norm Van Brocklin Yards rcvg = 336 Willie Anderson Passes caught = 20 TO Last edited by jzicc : 02-15-2007 at 06:27 AM. Reason: adding names

02-15-2007, 07:56 AM	#4
MrBigglesworth College Starter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: PA	I was under the impression that the trailing team was the one that went pass happy. Was this not the case?

02-15-2007, 09:56 AM	#9
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	And let's not gloss over the fact that he did throw 4 INTs. I think those came earlier in the game. Additionally, if the other team is playing 4 deep at the time, you can rack up some huge numbers.

02-15-2007, 04:31 PM	#18
dj_morton H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Jan 2007	Dang, I'm lucky if I pass for 300 yds!

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