Please turn off all electronic devices...

Passacaglia · 09-04-2007, 03:32 PM

So I flew out to Washington, DC this weekend. On the flight there, the guy next to me was listening to his iPod, and when they made the announcement to turn off electronic devices, he made no move to turn it off. In fact, he proceeded to pull out his Nintendo DS and start playing that. Finally, one of the flight attendants came by and specifically told him to turn off his devices. He then closes his DS (does that turn it off, or just put it in sleep mode?), then takes off his iPod headphones *without turning it off* and stuffs the iPod in his bag. If he's not even listening to it, why leave it on!?!?

I know the statistics say that it's safer to fly than it is to drive, but there's something about the loss of control that makes me a little weird about flying. I still fly at an opportunity (which is more than I can say for other people in my family), so it doesn't affect my life TOO much. But one of the few things you can control is that. I don't know how important it is to turn off electronics, but if they tell you to do it, you might as well. It's no wonder we're unwilling to put up with security restrictions -- we're not even willing to put away our electronics and pick up a book or magazine for 15-30 minutes.

RPI-Fan · 09-04-2007, 03:46 PM

Last time I was on a plane some guy who was really obnoxious watched a fucking DVD on his laptop while the plane was taking off and landing.

lordscarlet · 09-04-2007, 03:57 PM

Did he pause the ipod first? If so it will turn off after a few minutes.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 09-04-2007, 03:59 PM

FYI........the risk of problems related to electronic devices in the general cabin is very small. I'm certainly not saying that people shouldn't follow the rules, but I wouldn't worry about it too much if one idiot fails to follow the rules.

I spoke to a pilot once who accidentally left on his cell phone in the cockpit. It caused some minor routing problems (a few degrees off the path) until he noticed it a half hour into the flight. As soon as he noticed, he turned it off and the auto-pilot corrected the path selected.

dawgfan · 09-04-2007, 04:04 PM

I'm not an expert in the field, and I really have no idea to what extent use of electronic devices during takeoffs and landings really effects the systems on the airplane, radar, and radio communication.

That said, I'm having a hard time seeing what motivation airlines would have in asking passengers to turn them off during these times if it isn't a safety issue.

Besides which, I also find it incredibly rude and self-centered of people like that to blatantly ignore the rules - why they can't go the ten minutes at the start and end of the flight without these devices is beyond me, and why they think they are so special that the rules don't apply to them is a huge pet-peeve of mine.

MikeVic · 09-04-2007, 04:05 PM

I believe I saw a Myth Busters with this once... I forget the outcome, but I think it was something like... certain older electronic devices can cause some problems, so they recommended just turning everything off anyway. Can someone verify that?

MizzouRah · 09-04-2007, 04:26 PM

Last time I flew, one lady refused to turn her cell phone off and was even talking on it when the flight attendant told her she either turns it off, or she can get off the plane. We all looked at her like, "turn the fucking thing off already!".

Pyser · 09-04-2007, 04:32 PM

from what i recall, you are told to turn that stuff off not because it does interfere with the instruments, but because there is a very small chance it COULD. its more of a worst case scenario precaution than a big problem.

oddly, ive flown on a private jet, and you can have everything on as much as you want. including cell phones. the dvd player was on before we even started taxiing, let alone taking off.

RPI-Fan · 09-04-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I believe I saw a Myth Busters with this once... I forget the outcome, but I think it was something like... certain older electronic devices can cause some problems, so they recommended just turning everything off anyway. Can someone verify that?

The only problems occurred when the avionics had improper shielding (which, on a jet airliner, should theoretically never happen). But since inspections etc. don't always catch that stuff, there could be a problem of interference at some point.

Also, the cell phones off requirement while flying isn't really as much about interference with avionics (see above) as it is with putting an extreme strain on cell tower resources.

JonInMiddleGA · 09-04-2007, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I believe I saw a Myth Busters with this once... I forget the outcome, but I think it was something like... certain older electronic devices can cause some problems, so they recommended just turning everything off anyway. Can someone verify that?

Dunno if this is the one you saw but ...
http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/03/20/my...nes-on-planes/

Young Drachma · 09-04-2007, 04:57 PM

I said no in the poll, but I actually do adhere to it. Don't see a reason not to, even if I think it's silly.

sterlingice · 09-04-2007, 05:00 PM

A couple of things:

1) Here's the mythbusters summary related to cell phones and airplanes:
http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2006/04/e..._on_plane.html

2) Yes, the guy is a dick- a self centered ass who fits into the 1/15 principle where 1 minute of his time is worth more than 15 minutes of yours.

3) The only way an iPod or DS is going to cause a plane to is if one of two conditions are met. The first is that the pilot and co-pilot are playing/listening to said objects instead of flying the plane. The second is that the DS could possibly interfere if it was in the wireless mode but I'm not sure what frequency the DS transmits at vs what the cockpit is using.
3) Considering how planes are designed, unless something is actually transmitting a signal, there is no way it could interfere. Small, portable electronics just don't give off enough of an EM field to affect airplane instruments.

SI

molson · 09-04-2007, 05:01 PM

Why is it that even though there's almost zero safety risk from electronic devices, I get so damn pissed off when people don't obey the rules? Am I like that grumpy old guy in my old neighborhood that would yell at all us kids if a ball or frisbee ended up in his yard?

Emiliano · 09-04-2007, 05:05 PM

Yeah, during takeoff and landing, I usually did. I've never really wondered why they ask you to do it, but I always did it.

Ryan S · 09-04-2007, 05:07 PM

Several airlines are now introducing phone usage on their flights (and they get a cut from the profits)

http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/30/r...light-calling/

If it is a success for these companies, I would expect all the other airlines to follow within a few years.

sterlingice · 09-04-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan S

Several airlines are now introducing phone usage on their flights (and they get a cut from the profits)

http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/30/r...light-calling/

If it is a success for these companies, I would expect all the other airlines to follow within a few years.

Much like we had in the 80s with phones built into the back of seats and charges that were around $3 per minute?

I hope so because I sure as hell don't want everyone on the small, confined plane shouting at cell phone level the entire flight

SI

st.cronin · 09-04-2007, 05:15 PM

I really hate flying. I would rather spend 20 hours in my car than 5 hours in airports and a plane.

StarBuck · 09-04-2007, 05:19 PM

What I would like to see is enough people calling out these people who have no consideration for the safety of others, even if there is a slim chance. I suppose if enough of the assaholics on board were using the devices, it could cause a problem? My ex was a private pilot and he said something about the intruments on landing and take off.

Kind of like the cell phones in the theatre people. They totally ignore the request to switch them off.

lordscarlet · 09-04-2007, 05:20 PM

I would imagine saying "all electronics" is far simpler than having to examine every device to ensure they do not transmit a possibly interfering signal.

Mustang · 09-04-2007, 05:24 PM

Whether or not using electronic devices may or may not cause problems with the plane, bottom line is they just ask you to stop using them on takeoff and landing.

Don't want to obey the rules, then take a train, bike, car or walk asshole. The me-first self importance of our society is disgraceful at times even in small cases like this.

SnowMan · 09-04-2007, 05:48 PM

I fly for a living, I've made so many cell phone calls, text messages, and whatever else to crash a small country. I've never even seen a needle wiggle.

I can't speak for every type of airplane and every type of configuration, which is why they made the rule. Better safe than in a nosedive trying to jerk off before you hit the mountain.

JonInMiddleGA · 09-04-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by StarBuck

What I would like to see is enough people calling out these people who have no consideration for the safety of others, even if there is a slim chance.

I've actually seen that, on a commuter airline a few years ago.

Basically Mr. Idiot was told by me (and eventually five other passengers) that either his cell phone & his laptop were going in the overhead compartment alone, or they was going in there with him sans batteries. It was entirely up to him but either way they were going bye-bye until the flight crew said otherwise.

This was after 4 requests from a flight attendant produced no results & was leaving us waiting to take off until the toys were put away. Don't fuck with grouchy passengers at midnight who are already several hours behind schedule.

TroyF · 09-04-2007, 06:26 PM

I said yes, but there should be a third answer: "Yeah, I do, because it's simpler than fighting and it's not really that big of a deal"

Really, I can't use my cell phone for a flight and my electronics for twenty minutes? I'm going to go nuts over that? Are you kidding me? Shut off the F'n phone, put the Ipod up and read a damned magazine. This isn't some incredibly inconveniant thing they are asking you to do.

As for driving vs. flying, I'll take the flight anyday of the week. I get there quicker, I don't have to deal with slippery roads or drunk drivers and with gas prices as high as they are, it's just as cheap for me to fly as drive. The small amount of issues I've had in airports doesn't begine to outweigh the advantages for me.

st.cronin · 09-04-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TroyF

As for driving vs. flying, I'll take the flight anyday of the week. I get there quicker, I don't have to deal with slippery roads or drunk drivers and with gas prices as high as they are, it's just as cheap for me to fly as drive. The small amount of issues I've had in airports doesn't begine to outweigh the advantages for me.

If flying were free, and as convenient as it is now, I would still rather drive. And I don't like driving.

RendeR · 09-04-2007, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

I would imagine saying "all electronics" is far simpler than having to examine every device to ensure they do not transmit a possibly interfering signal.

This is exactly what "mythbusters" decided. Their cell phone research foudn that certain cell phones did in fact interfere with the avionics/communications between the aircraft and the navigational beacons/towers during take off, landing, and even mid flight depending on the nearness to said beacons.

To try and narrow down the exact issue and deal with it would cost billions that None of the aircraft manufacturers nor the airlines have to spend. Its far simpler, and easier to simply shut all electronic toys off and deal with being bored for 20 minutes until they tell you you can turn them back on again.

people that don't simply do so should be tossed off the plane somewhere over the salt flats. Prefereably from about 60k feet.

Daimyo · 09-04-2007, 07:12 PM

I make sure to turn off my cell phone, laptop, and anything that would possible put out a wireless signal, but I usually leave my iPod on with no attempt to conceal it. If the FA asks me to turn it off I apologize and comply right away. There is no way its going to cause a problem, but its not worth being a dick over.

Anthony · 09-04-2007, 07:17 PM

i do what i want on the plane. when they start charging reasonable prices for tickets, then i'll listen. for what we had to pay to go to LAX (from NYC) and they still have the balls to charge me for food and played the same movie going home as they did going there - sorry, deal with me listening to my mp3 player at a non-loud manner. i don't stand up and flaunt the fact that i'm listening to my mp3 player and defying the rules, i just don't buy into the hogwash that my small device could in any way affect the performance of the flight. if there was a small chance these devices could interfere - do you think they'd even be allowed on the plane? we can't even get through a security checkpoint without taking our shoes off cuz some retarded asshole put bombs in his shoes - you think they're gonna take a tiny chance letting devices screw up the flight or the safety of the passengers?

what's next? they tell you not to look outside the windows cuz the boogie man on the wings might see you and try to come in? morons.

dawgfan · 09-04-2007, 07:35 PM

Why does it not surprise me that HA is one of the assholes that puts himself above the rules.

Hey HA, if you don't want to follow the rules of air travel, then don't buy a ticket - otherwise be prepared to have a flight attendant kick you off the flight if you don't obey. Cost is a non-issue here - you know the rules before you buy a ticket. If you don't like it, drive, take a train or hire a private jet if you've got the scratch for it.

JonInMiddleGA · 09-04-2007, 07:39 PM

That's fine HA, just so long as you understand that if you try it on a flight I'm on & I see you doing it, I'll either strangle you to death with your headphone cord or shove said mp3 player up your ass sideways.

RendeR · 09-04-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i do what i want on the plane. when they start charging reasonable prices for tickets, then i'll listen. for what we had to pay to go to LAX (from NYC) and they still have the balls to charge me for food and played the same movie going home as they did going there - sorry, deal with me listening to my mp3 player at a non-loud manner. i don't stand up and flaunt the fact that i'm listening to my mp3 player and defying the rules, i just don't buy into the hogwash that my small device could in any way affect the performance of the flight. if there was a small chance these devices could interfere - do you think they'd even be allowed on the plane? we can't even get through a security checkpoint without taking our shoes off cuz some retarded asshole put bombs in his shoes - you think they're gonna take a tiny chance letting devices screw up the flight or the safety of the passengers?

what's next? they tell you not to look outside the windows cuz the boogie man on the wings might see you and try to come in? morons.

See, the problem I see here is that you think you're paying to be entertained and hand-jobbed while you fly. I believe that you're paying to get your fat ass from point A to points B, C, and D.

Anything beyond simple transportation you should be thanking your sweet aunt tipper's ass for.

But then again I try not to be an arrogant self inflated asshat. YMMV

Anthony · 09-04-2007, 07:43 PM

um, no. i'm not saying i would refuse to put away my device. just saying it doesn't pose the risk that is insinuated. that's all. and for the money i pay i will disregard that stupid request. both i've flown 4 times in august, and all 4 times i've had an isle seat and had my headphones on from before takeoff. i don't make it surprise. none of those 4 times was i asked to put my mp3 player away.

and i don't want to drive to LA from NYC. for you to say "if you don't like it, drive" is a waste of a post. yes, cuz i really would opt to drive cross country just cuz i don't want to not listen to my mp3 player on takeoff/landing. unfortunately there's a monopoly on travel - no quicker way to travel cross country. when there are alternate/less expensive options i'll select them.

Anthony · 09-04-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

That's fine HA, just so long as you understand that if you try it on a flight I'm on & I see you doing it, I'll either strangle you to death with your headphone cord or shove said mp3 player up your ass sideways.

i don't think you would. from the safety of your keyboard it's a pleasant fiction to think. unless you're bigger than i am you'd most likely do what everyone else does and just sit in your chair being pissed at yourself for always doing what you're told while someone who has balls enjoys his music as the plane take off.

SteveMax58 · 09-04-2007, 07:49 PM

I said Yes, but only because it's the rules & the last thing I want to do is argue or delay my flight by making a protest of some sort. I hate airports & flying enough...no reason to prolong it.

But I will say this...I am not an avionics engineer or industry expert by any means...but I do work in an industry which uses RF & I have had to calculate many estimated receive & noise levels for things like FSO & EIRP levels for microwave communications systems. To generate an adequate interfering signal level (not talking receive level) requires either a non-focused, highly robust signal source...or a lesser, but extremely focused, signal source. It is concievable that you could create the "perfect storm" scenario with some sort of small handheld device, in the wrong place at the wrong time, etc...but I honestly cannot imagine how perfectly unlikely that scenario could possibly be. But...who knows.

JonInMiddleGA · 09-04-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i don't think you would. from the safety of your keyboard it's a pleasant fiction to think. unless you're bigger than i am you'd most likely do what everyone else does and just sit in your chair being pissed at yourself for always doing what you're told while someone who has balls enjoys his music as the plane take off.

That's the thing HA: I've already been in that situation & know exactly what I'd do. And the fact that stupidity such as yours in this case irritates me to no end in general adds the bonus of getting to enjoy doing it. You'd fold like a cheap tent & we both know it.

Anthony · 09-04-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

That's the thing HA: I've already been in that situation & know exactly what I'd do. And the fact that stupidity such as yours in this case irritates me to no end in general adds the bonus of getting to enjoy doing it. You'd fold like a cheap tent & we both know it.

again, i don't need to puff out my chest on a message board. that's folly. but odds are you're more the type to cry to the stewardess about the guy who is listening to music during takeoff than you are to tap the guy on his shoulder and look him in the eye and request he take the headphones off. for either of us to pretend otherwise is a waste.

heybrad · 09-04-2007, 07:57 PM

Nothing better than a good old "my dick is bigger than yours" internet argument!!!

JonInMiddleGA · 09-04-2007, 08:15 PM

I'll gladly give the FA's a chance to do their job, but failing that it's just like I told you, I've already been there & done that. And I rather enjoyed myself, so that pretty much seals the chance of my doing it again since I'm already grumpy because I don't enjoy all the hassles of flying. It'd be a fun diversion for few seconds it took you to comply. I know, it's a short bit of fun, but hey there's not much else pleasurable about the flying experience so ya gotta take what little you can get.

SnowMan · 09-04-2007, 08:26 PM

Remember the takeoff and landing thing is less about signal interference and more about emergency preparation. If you've got headphones on and you have an oopsie on landing, odds are your ipod will go flying, turning into a nice missile at 100 knots, and perhaps taking those earphones and shoving em into your ears so far people could hear Sinatra coming out your ass.

A 40mph crash in your car is violent, imagine a 100mph+ crash and you can see why things need to be secured, and your attention should probably be on things more important than your need to hear another song you've already heard 500 times.

MJ4H · 09-04-2007, 08:29 PM

This thread has potential.

Raiders Army · 09-04-2007, 08:35 PM

I'm more concerned with someone getting on a plane being sick and catching it from them. That being said, I hate those who can't follow some simple rules that don't affect their comfort on a macro level.

Karlifornia · 09-04-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by StarBuck

I suppose if enough of the assaholics

Assaholics: rap group or porn site?

StarBuck · 09-04-2007, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Assaholics: rap group or porn site?

Hell Atlantic obviously. The assaholism is strong with this one.

sterlingice · 09-04-2007, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

what's next? they tell you not to look outside the windows cuz the boogie man on the wings might see you and try to come in? morons.

I really wanted a picture of Shatner from that Twilight Zone episode but I just couldn't find one I liked...

SI

StarBuck · 09-04-2007, 11:36 PM

Hell Atlantic refuses to look out the window at the boogie man like the rest of the morons until the airlines start charging reasonable prices for tickets

AZSpeechCoach · 09-04-2007, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SnowMan

Remember the takeoff and landing thing is less about signal interference and more about emergency preparation. If you've got headphones on and you have an oopsie on landing, odds are your ipod will go flying, turning into a nice missile at 100 knots, and perhaps taking those earphones and shoving em into your ears so far people could hear Sinatra coming out your ass.

This is what I always figured. Since take-off and landing are the two times when you are most likely to crash, it is probably better that you can listen to emergency instructions rather than your music. But, since some people believe that they are better than everyone else, we will all be at risk for their asshattery (or douchery as Lily would say).

law90026 · 09-04-2007, 11:58 PM

I obey the rules on flights. However, I have accidentally left my handphone on throughout a flight on at least 2 occasions and both times we didn't die >.>

I agree that it's more of an over-the-top precautionary thing but I generally obey the rules rather than take the risk that one day my handphone/mp3player/ could cause a problem.

Vinatieri for Prez · 09-05-2007, 12:40 AM

I obey the rules, but I do side with HA that I don't believe for a second having any kind of regular electronic device would crash a plane. If it did, they wouldn't allow you on the plane with one because some jackass (perhaps like HA?) would turn it on even when told not to.

My bet is it only potentially interferes with avionics in a very minor way in which it is simply more convenient to turn them off rather than deal with the "inconvenience" of potential interference.

Karlifornia · 09-05-2007, 12:47 AM

Complaining about the price of airline tickets is about as useful as complaining about the price of food at a football game.

Pumpy Tudors · 09-05-2007, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SnowMan

...odds are your ipod will go flying, turning into a nice missile at 100 knots, and perhaps taking those earphones and shoving em into your ears so far people could hear Sinatra coming out your ass.

Let's hear more about this.

Raiders Army · 09-05-2007, 07:37 AM

A few weeks ago when we flew to PA, I read in the in-flight magazine that GPS devices were allowed during the flight (Continental). I took my Garmin C340 out and tried it. It couldn't get a signal. Too bad since I wanted to see how fast we were going and where we were.

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09-04-2007, 03:46 PM	#2
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	Last time I was on a plane some guy who was really obnoxious watched a fucking DVD on his laptop while the plane was taking off and landing. __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

09-04-2007, 03:57 PM	#3
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	Did he pause the ipod first? If so it will turn off after a few minutes. __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

09-04-2007, 04:57 PM	#11
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	I said no in the poll, but I actually do adhere to it. Don't see a reason not to, even if I think it's silly. __________________ Current dynasty: Playtesting chaos (Viperball 26) \| OOTP Mod: Managerial Strategy Files \| GM Excel Competitive Balance Tax/Revenue Sharing Calc \| FBCB Mods on Github

09-04-2007, 05:00 PM	#12
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	A couple of things: 1) Here's the mythbusters summary related to cell phones and airplanes: http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2006/04/e..._on_plane.html 2) Yes, the guy is a dick- a self centered ass who fits into the 1/15 principle where 1 minute of his time is worth more than 15 minutes of yours. 3) The only way an iPod or DS is going to cause a plane to is if one of two conditions are met. The first is that the pilot and co-pilot are playing/listening to said objects instead of flying the plane. The second is that the DS could possibly interfere if it was in the wireless mode but I'm not sure what frequency the DS transmits at vs what the cockpit is using. 3) Considering how planes are designed, unless something is actually transmitting a signal, there is no way it could interfere. Small, portable electronics just don't give off enough of an EM field to affect airplane instruments. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

09-04-2007, 03:59 PM	#4
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	FYI........the risk of problems related to electronic devices in the general cabin is very small. I'm certainly not saying that people shouldn't follow the rules, but I wouldn't worry about it too much if one idiot fails to follow the rules. I spoke to a pilot once who accidentally left on his cell phone in the cockpit. It caused some minor routing problems (a few degrees off the path) until he noticed it a half hour into the flight. As soon as he noticed, he turned it off and the auto-pilot corrected the path selected.

09-04-2007, 04:04 PM	#5
dawgfan Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Seattle	I'm not an expert in the field, and I really have no idea to what extent use of electronic devices during takeoffs and landings really effects the systems on the airplane, radar, and radio communication. That said, I'm having a hard time seeing what motivation airlines would have in asking passengers to turn them off during these times if it isn't a safety issue. Besides which, I also find it incredibly rude and self-centered of people like that to blatantly ignore the rules - why they can't go the ten minutes at the start and end of the flight without these devices is beyond me, and why they think they are so special that the rules don't apply to them is a huge pet-peeve of mine.

09-04-2007, 04:05 PM	#6
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I believe I saw a Myth Busters with this once... I forget the outcome, but I think it was something like... certain older electronic devices can cause some problems, so they recommended just turning everything off anyway. Can someone verify that?

09-04-2007, 04:26 PM	#7
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Last time I flew, one lady refused to turn her cell phone off and was even talking on it when the flight attendant told her she either turns it off, or she can get off the plane. We all looked at her like, "turn the fucking thing off already!".

09-04-2007, 04:32 PM	#8
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	from what i recall, you are told to turn that stuff off not because it does interfere with the instruments, but because there is a very small chance it COULD. its more of a worst case scenario precaution than a big problem. oddly, ive flown on a private jet, and you can have everything on as much as you want. including cell phones. the dvd player was on before we even started taxiing, let alone taking off.

09-04-2007, 05:01 PM	#13
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Why is it that even though there's almost zero safety risk from electronic devices, I get so damn pissed off when people don't obey the rules? Am I like that grumpy old guy in my old neighborhood that would yell at all us kids if a ball or frisbee ended up in his yard?

09-04-2007, 05:05 PM	#14
Emiliano College Prospect Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nuremberg, Germany	Yeah, during takeoff and landing, I usually did. I've never really wondered why they ask you to do it, but I always did it. __________________ Xbox Live&PSN: Emiliano81 GM of the Rome Gladiators in the WOOF

09-04-2007, 05:07 PM	#15
Ryan S Quarterback Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: London, England	Several airlines are now introducing phone usage on their flights (and they get a cut from the profits) http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/30/r...light-calling/ If it is a success for these companies, I would expect all the other airlines to follow within a few years.

09-04-2007, 05:15 PM	#17
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I really hate flying. I would rather spend 20 hours in my car than 5 hours in airports and a plane. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

09-04-2007, 05:19 PM	#18
StarBuck H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Outer Planets	What I would like to see is enough people calling out these people who have no consideration for the safety of others, even if there is a slim chance. I suppose if enough of the assaholics on board were using the devices, it could cause a problem? My ex was a private pilot and he said something about the intruments on landing and take off. Kind of like the cell phones in the theatre people. They totally ignore the request to switch them off. __________________ I'm in ur raiders, flying ur ships ~Save a Bat~ http://www.batworld.org Last edited by StarBuck : 09-04-2007 at 05:19 PM.

09-04-2007, 05:20 PM	#19
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	I would imagine saying "all electronics" is far simpler than having to examine every device to ensure they do not transmit a possibly interfering signal. __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

09-04-2007, 05:24 PM	#20
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	Whether or not using electronic devices may or may not cause problems with the plane, bottom line is they just ask you to stop using them on takeoff and landing. Don't want to obey the rules, then take a train, bike, car or walk asshole. The me-first self importance of our society is disgraceful at times even in small cases like this. __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

09-04-2007, 05:48 PM	#21
SnowMan High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Georgia via Alaska via Washington	I fly for a living, I've made so many cell phone calls, text messages, and whatever else to crash a small country. I've never even seen a needle wiggle. I can't speak for every type of airplane and every type of configuration, which is why they made the rule. Better safe than in a nosedive trying to jerk off before you hit the mountain.

09-04-2007, 06:26 PM	#23
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I said yes, but there should be a third answer: "Yeah, I do, because it's simpler than fighting and it's not really that big of a deal" Really, I can't use my cell phone for a flight and my electronics for twenty minutes? I'm going to go nuts over that? Are you kidding me? Shut off the F'n phone, put the Ipod up and read a damned magazine. This isn't some incredibly inconveniant thing they are asking you to do. As for driving vs. flying, I'll take the flight anyday of the week. I get there quicker, I don't have to deal with slippery roads or drunk drivers and with gas prices as high as they are, it's just as cheap for me to fly as drive. The small amount of issues I've had in airports doesn't begine to outweigh the advantages for me.

09-04-2007, 07:12 PM	#26
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	I make sure to turn off my cell phone, laptop, and anything that would possible put out a wireless signal, but I usually leave my iPod on with no attempt to conceal it. If the FA asks me to turn it off I apologize and comply right away. There is no way its going to cause a problem, but its not worth being a dick over.

09-04-2007, 07:17 PM	#27
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	i do what i want on the plane. when they start charging reasonable prices for tickets, then i'll listen. for what we had to pay to go to LAX (from NYC) and they still have the balls to charge me for food and played the same movie going home as they did going there - sorry, deal with me listening to my mp3 player at a non-loud manner. i don't stand up and flaunt the fact that i'm listening to my mp3 player and defying the rules, i just don't buy into the hogwash that my small device could in any way affect the performance of the flight. if there was a small chance these devices could interfere - do you think they'd even be allowed on the plane? we can't even get through a security checkpoint without taking our shoes off cuz some retarded asshole put bombs in his shoes - you think they're gonna take a tiny chance letting devices screw up the flight or the safety of the passengers? what's next? they tell you not to look outside the windows cuz the boogie man on the wings might see you and try to come in? morons.

09-04-2007, 07:35 PM	#28
dawgfan Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Seattle	Why does it not surprise me that HA is one of the assholes that puts himself above the rules. Hey HA, if you don't want to follow the rules of air travel, then don't buy a ticket - otherwise be prepared to have a flight attendant kick you off the flight if you don't obey. Cost is a non-issue here - you know the rules before you buy a ticket. If you don't like it, drive, take a train or hire a private jet if you've got the scratch for it.

09-04-2007, 07:39 PM	#29
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	That's fine HA, just so long as you understand that if you try it on a flight I'm on & I see you doing it, I'll either strangle you to death with your headphone cord or shove said mp3 player up your ass sideways. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

09-04-2007, 07:43 PM	#31
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	um, no. i'm not saying i would refuse to put away my device. just saying it doesn't pose the risk that is insinuated. that's all. and for the money i pay i will disregard that stupid request. both i've flown 4 times in august, and all 4 times i've had an isle seat and had my headphones on from before takeoff. i don't make it surprise. none of those 4 times was i asked to put my mp3 player away. and i don't want to drive to LA from NYC. for you to say "if you don't like it, drive" is a waste of a post. yes, cuz i really would opt to drive cross country just cuz i don't want to not listen to my mp3 player on takeoff/landing. unfortunately there's a monopoly on travel - no quicker way to travel cross country. when there are alternate/less expensive options i'll select them.

09-04-2007, 07:49 PM	#33
SteveMax58 College Starter Join Date: Dec 2006	I said Yes, but only because it's the rules & the last thing I want to do is argue or delay my flight by making a protest of some sort. I hate airports & flying enough...no reason to prolong it. But I will say this...I am not an avionics engineer or industry expert by any means...but I do work in an industry which uses RF & I have had to calculate many estimated receive & noise levels for things like FSO & EIRP levels for microwave communications systems. To generate an adequate interfering signal level (not talking receive level) requires either a non-focused, highly robust signal source...or a lesser, but extremely focused, signal source. It is concievable that you could create the "perfect storm" scenario with some sort of small handheld device, in the wrong place at the wrong time, etc...but I honestly cannot imagine how perfectly unlikely that scenario could possibly be. But...who knows.

09-04-2007, 07:57 PM	#36
heybrad Norm!!! Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Manassas, VA	Nothing better than a good old "my dick is bigger than yours" internet argument!!!

09-04-2007, 08:15 PM	#37
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	I'll gladly give the FA's a chance to do their job, but failing that it's just like I told you, I've already been there & done that. And I rather enjoyed myself, so that pretty much seals the chance of my doing it again since I'm already grumpy because I don't enjoy all the hassles of flying. It'd be a fun diversion for few seconds it took you to comply. I know, it's a short bit of fun, but hey there's not much else pleasurable about the flying experience so ya gotta take what little you can get. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

09-04-2007, 08:26 PM	#38
SnowMan High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Georgia via Alaska via Washington	Remember the takeoff and landing thing is less about signal interference and more about emergency preparation. If you've got headphones on and you have an oopsie on landing, odds are your ipod will go flying, turning into a nice missile at 100 knots, and perhaps taking those earphones and shoving em into your ears so far people could hear Sinatra coming out your ass. A 40mph crash in your car is violent, imagine a 100mph+ crash and you can see why things need to be secured, and your attention should probably be on things more important than your need to hear another song you've already heard 500 times.

09-04-2007, 08:29 PM	#39
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	This thread has potential.

09-04-2007, 08:35 PM	#40
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I'm more concerned with someone getting on a plane being sick and catching it from them. That being said, I hate those who can't follow some simple rules that don't affect their comfort on a macro level.

09-04-2007, 11:36 PM	#44
StarBuck H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Outer Planets	Hell Atlantic refuses to look out the window at the boogie man like the rest of the morons until the airlines start charging reasonable prices for tickets __________________ I'm in ur raiders, flying ur ships ~Save a Bat~ http://www.batworld.org Last edited by StarBuck : 09-04-2007 at 11:36 PM.

09-04-2007, 11:58 PM	#46
law90026 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2006	I obey the rules on flights. However, I have accidentally left my handphone on throughout a flight on at least 2 occasions and both times we didn't die >.> I agree that it's more of an over-the-top precautionary thing but I generally obey the rules rather than take the risk that one day my handphone/mp3player/ could cause a problem.

09-05-2007, 12:40 AM	#47
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	I obey the rules, but I do side with HA that I don't believe for a second having any kind of regular electronic device would crash a plane. If it did, they wouldn't allow you on the plane with one because some jackass (perhaps like HA?) would turn it on even when told not to. My bet is it only potentially interferes with avionics in a very minor way in which it is simply more convenient to turn them off rather than deal with the "inconvenience" of potential interference.

09-05-2007, 12:47 AM	#48
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Complaining about the price of airline tickets is about as useful as complaining about the price of food at a football game. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

09-05-2007, 07:37 AM	#50
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	A few weeks ago when we flew to PA, I read in the in-flight magazine that GPS devices were allowed during the flight (Continental). I took my Garmin C340 out and tried it. It couldn't get a signal. Too bad since I wanted to see how fast we were going and where we were.