A big HOOH-AH!!!! to a fellow brother!!!

[JeffNights]

hxxp://www.break.com/index/veteran-cuts-down-mexican-flag.html

[Karlifornia]

That's how we elicit change! By making sure our flags are on top!

Someone get on the phone to Washington. Iraqi insurgents, prepare to go down. The way to establish control of a country is through flag positioning. The higher the better! As long as our flag flies above all other flags, we will forever be headed towards the light!

That's a pretty sweet law, though....right up there with not being allowed to pump your own gas in Oregon.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

That's a pretty sweet law, though....right up there with not being allowed to pump your own gas in Oregon.

This is what happens when you pump your own gas...

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Originally Posted by sabotai

This is what happens when you pump your own gas...

Living in NJ, don't you hate leaving the state and realizing you need gas and will have to pump it yourself?

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

Living in NJ, don't you hate leaving the state and realizing you need gas and will have to pump it yourself?

No. I don't leave the state.

[JeffNights]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

That's how we elicit change! By making sure our flags are on top!

Someone get on the phone to Washington. Iraqi insurgents, prepare to go down. The way to establish control of a country is through flag positioning. The higher the better! As long as our flag flies above all other flags, we will forever be headed towards the light!

That's a pretty sweet law, though....right up there with not being allowed to pump your own gas in Oregon.

Its a Federal Law, not a state, and I dont expect everybody to get the point, or agree.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by JeffNights

Its a Federal Law, not a state, and I dont expect everybody to get the point, or agree.

Not exactly a federal law. Statute, yes, but carries no punitive measure (or else would violate that pesky 1st Amendment).

Also, the store owner would probably have better legal standing than the flag-ripper for destruction of private property and conversion.

[Passacaglia]

God Bless America!

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

Living in NJ, don't you hate leaving the state and realizing you need gas and will have to pump it yourself?

I moved to Nj lasted 12 weeks and moved back south.
I was amazed at the inability to pump ones own gas and was actually confronted the first time I pulled up and tried.

One night had a nice conversation with NJ highway patrol at a restaurant, as he engaged me as I pulled up to question the out of state tags and illegal height vehicle (think big redneck mud truck, only new) and during our conversatioon I inquired about the gas pumping.

Turns out that the state of NJ has determined the inhalation of gas fumes to be a carcinogen and dont wish to subject their citizens to the evils of cancer. Which is nice and all, except what about the 16 year old hs students who breathe it 8 hours/day?

Wouldnt eveeryon be safer with the 2x/week 2 minutes than absolutely piling on these kids....

[CraigSca]

Maybe it's me, but rarely do I see kids pumping gas in NJ - it's always a bunch of older guys sitting around.

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Not exactly a federal law. Statute, yes, but carries no punitive measure (or else would violate that pesky 1st Amendment).

Also, the store owner would probably have better legal standing than the flag-ripper for destruction of private property and conversion.

..except Texas.

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I moved to Nj lasted 12 weeks and moved back south.
I was amazed at the inability to pump ones own gas and was actually confronted the first time I pulled up and tried.

One night had a nice conversation with NJ highway patrol at a restaurant, as he engaged me as I pulled up to question the out of state tags and illegal height vehicle (think big redneck mud truck, only new) and during our conversatioon I inquired about the gas pumping.

Turns out that the state of NJ has determined the inhalation of gas fumes to be a carcinogen and dont wish to subject their citizens to the evils of cancer. Which is nice and all, except what about the 16 year old hs students who breathe it 8 hours/day?

Wouldnt eveeryon be safer with the 2x/week 2 minutes than absolutely piling on these kids....

I've always heard that it comes down to a Union thing (they don't want the people pumping gas to lose their jobs).

[JPhillips]

What's Spanish for douchebag?

[Hammer755]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

What's Spanish for douchebag?

I think it's pronounced carlosmencia.

[Toddzilla]

after watching that clip (of the gas guy, not the nutcase cutting down the flag) if there ever was a better use for the word pwned, I haven't seen it.

[Izulde]

The comments section is simultaneously hilarious and depressing.

[MikeVic]

Wait, you can't pump your own gas in the U.S.? Huh? I pumped my own in Minneapolis, Fargo, and Grand Forks.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Wait, you can't pump your own gas in the U.S.? Huh? I pumped my own in Minneapolis, Fargo, and Grand Forks.

It's only a few states that don't allow you to pump your own.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Turns out that the state of NJ has determined the inhalation of gas fumes to be a carcinogen and dont wish to subject their citizens to the evils of cancer. Which is nice and all, except what about the 16 year old hs students who breathe it 8 hours/day?

Wouldnt eveeryon be safer with the 2x/week 2 minutes than absolutely piling on these kids....

That's not why it's a law, or at least not the reasoning I've read about. It wasn't all that long ago that many states had laws that said a person could not pump their own gas. These laws came about back when pumping gas was far less safe and they wanted trained people to operate the pumps. It was during the 70s, I think, that most states took the laws off the books after pumping gas was safer.

Every few years, the idea to change the law gets floated around. The main reason is the state budget in NJ is too high, and they want to raise the gas tax to increase revenue. So the state would like to change the law so that people can pump their own gas (which would make gas 10 cents cheaper in NJ - we already sport some of the cheapest gas in the nation) so that they can just raise the tax on gas (there goes that 10 cents per gallon and probably more).

And as said, one of the reasons it fails is because they estimate about 70,000 people would lose their job. Also, no one wants to pump their own gas in NJ.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Wait, you can't pump your own gas in the U.S.? Huh? I pumped my own in Minneapolis, Fargo, and Grand Forks.

pump this

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

pump this

With pleasure!

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

It's only a few states that don't allow you to pump your own.

Oregon and New Jersey, to be precise...

[Greyroofoo]

Seriously, if you're gonna live in America, you should not be putting the Mexican flag on top.

[heybrad]

Does it explain if the guys flying the flag were approached and asked to switch them around?

[Greyroofoo]

Does it matter?

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

Does it matter?

Yes.

[heybrad]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

Does it matter?

Sure it does. You don't think a quick... "Hey, did you know what you're doing there is not only illegal but pretty disrespectful as well."

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by heybrad

Sure it does. You don't think a quick... "Hey, did you know what you're doing there is not only illegal but pretty disrespectful as well."

Not to mention, as stated, it is not illegal. However, destruction of property and theft are.

[Greyroofoo]

Originally Posted by heybrad

Sure it does. You don't think a quick... "Hey, did you know what you're doing there is not only illegal but pretty disrespectful as well."

You think the store owners didn't know that?

They were purposefully flying the Mexican over the US flag in protest of immigration policies.

[heybrad]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

You think the store owners didn't know that?

They were purposefully flying the Mexican over the US flag in protest of immigration policies.

Right... because all mexicans are here to take over the country. Gotcha.

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by heybrad

Right... because all mexicans are here to take over the country. Gotcha.

There's no other reason why he would be flying the Mexican flag over ours.

By the way, flying another country flag over the US flag is SPECIFICALLY mentioned as illegal -- Section 7, Title Four of the US Code. Link

But, these are the same people who blatantly ignore and encourage the breaking of immigration laws, so what's a little more illegal activity to them?

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

There's no other reason why he would be flying the Mexican flag over ours.

By the way, flying another country flag over the US flag is SPECIFICALLY mentioned as illegal -- Section 7, Title Four of the US Code. Link

But, these are the same people who blatantly ignore and encourage the breaking of immigration laws, so what's a little more illegal activity to them?

I'm thinking this Code section is used against people much. Mainly because I can easily see a court smacking it down under the 1st Amendment (takes precedent, obviously). I'm thinking the Code section about displaying multiple flags is more for publically owned buildings.

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I'm thinking this Code section is used against people much. Mainly because I can easily see a court smacking it down under the 1st Amendment (takes precedent, obviously). I'm thinking the Code section about displaying multiple flags is more for publically owned buildings.

Then someone should try challenging it. Until then, it IS illegal. The guy should be commended for what he did.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

Then someone should try challenging it. Until then, it IS illegal. The guy should be commended for what he did.

Vigilante justice FTW!!!!!11111111

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

The guy should be commended for what he did.

While being arrested and tossed in jail for doing something illegal, right?

[sabotai]

dola,

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

Then someone should try challenging it. Until then, it IS illegal.

Not according to the Reno police department...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/n...flag-flap.html

RENO, Nev. – Responding to a controversy over a Mexican flag flying at a local bar, Reno police and the American Civil Liberties Union issued statements Wednesday emphasizing it is not illegal to fly another flag above the American flag.

A Reno television station broadcast a story on Monday of a U.S. veteran, Jim Broussard, cutting down the U.S. flag flying above the bar and taking it away in protest of what the station reported was an illegal display of the flag.

...

The Reno Police Department said in a statement Wednesday that while the U.S. Code establishes protocol for the display of the American flag in relation to other flags, the protocol “is advisory and is not a criminal statute.


“There is no sanction for violation of the protocol and is not enforceable by local law enforcement,” the statement said.

[cthomer5000]

U-S-A! U-S-A!
U-S-A! U-S-A!
U-S-A! U-S-A!

[Noop]

I know it has nothing to do with the thread but I wanted to post this photo.

[cthomer5000]

Someone should also take it upon themselves to burn down the business and/or kill the owner to really send a message.

[Poli]

I'm on my way.

[Dutch]

Somebody go hang an American flag in Mexico and put the Mexican flag underneath. You'll be thanking your lucky stars that the only thing that happens is they take your Mexican flag from you.

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Somebody go hang an American flag in Mexico and put the Mexican flag underneath. You'll be thanking your lucky stars that the only thing that happens is they take your Mexican flag from you.

Even if your perspective is indeed the correct one (I have never seen anyone try this, either in person, or on film; and I am assuming by the confidence in your statement that you have either partaken or witnessed such behavior), does responding in kind accomplish anything, but prove that we are on the same level of the people that you obviously consider to be second-class?


I'm distraught that people that claim to be so superior still get aroused by such empty symbolism. Use your rationality to rise above it. We are not cut from a pattern of cloth. We are a people who are civilized beyond the point of caring where our flag hangs. That is childs' play. If you must base the strength of this country on where its flag flies, then you are trivializing what America means.

LEAVE A FUCKING TAQUERIA ALONE.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Even if your perspective is indeed the correct one (I have never seen anyone try this, either in person, or on film; and I am assuming by the confidence in your statement that you have either partaken or witnessed such behavior), does responding in kind accomplish anything, but prove that we are on the same level of the people that you obviously consider to be second-class?

Hyperbole much? Having lived in Los Angeles for 8 years, I have found that a vast majority of Mexican-Americans and/or Mexicans I saw were firecely nationalistic with regards to Mexico. Having lived in the US a good deal of my life, I can also say that relatively speaking, much more so than Mexican-Americans and/or Americans are with regards to America.

I'm distraught that people that claim to be so superior still get aroused by such empty symbolism. Use your rationality to rise above it. We are not cut from a pattern of cloth. We are a people who are civilized beyond the point of caring where our flag hangs. That is childs' play. If you must base the strength of this country on where its flag flies, then you are trivializing what America means.

Are you talking about the bar owner or the flag protester?

Anyway,

The end result--rationally speaking--is that a $15 flag was stolen from private property. Yet, the symbolism of this has obviously offended you. Funny how that works, eh?

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Even if your perspective is indeed the correct one (I have never seen anyone try this, either in person, or on film; and I am assuming by the confidence in your statement that you have either partaken or witnessed such behavior), does responding in kind accomplish anything, but prove that we are on the same level of the people that you obviously consider to be second-class?

Where do you get that he thinks they're second-class? That's straight out of left field. And I have no problem being on the same level as Mexicans. They are a fiercely proud people. There's nothing wrong with that. Blatant disrespect for the country that they're in is pigheaded and immature and should not be tolerated. If Americans were to do this in another country it would be rightfully decried as ugly Americanism. It is only reasonable that we expect the same of our guests as they would expect from us.

I'm distraught that people that claim to be so superior still get aroused by such empty symbolism. Use your rationality to rise above it. We are not cut from a pattern of cloth. We are a people who are civilized beyond the point of caring where our flag hangs. That is childs' play. If you must base the strength of this country on where its flag flies, then you are trivializing what America means.

LEAVE A FUCKING TAQUERIA ALONE.

There's that straw man again. Nobody claimed to be superior except perhaps you. Your post is the only place where such a claim has been made. This very paragraph is filled with that implication. We are not beyond the point of caring where our flag hangs. It is a basic symbol of respect for your hosts and/or your nation. You imply that we are civilized beyond nearly every other country in the world. We are not. We are the same in most every way when it comes to nationalistic pride.

I, personally, put far less stock in our flag than most nationalists. If they ever try to make burning the flag illegal I'll fight that decision until I'm dead. But putting another nation's flag above ours on our soil is simply rude, obnoxious, and, as I said above, blatantly disrespectful. Trolls that engage in that kind of behavior absolutely deserve to be called out on it. I wouldn't defend an American who behaves that badly in a foreign country. Defending those doing the same here is hypocritical and screams of false morality.

[RedKingGold]

BTW, I'll repeat my earlier statements: Although the Flag Code is a federal statute, it carries no punitive measures (so what really can be done by violating this "law")

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Someone should also take it upon themselves to burn down the business and/or kill the owner to really send a message.

I really LOL'd at this - this is why you guys need a regular spot on XM202.

[stevew]

I thought the guy was going to slice his fingers when he was trying to cut through the cord and set the flag free. That would have been funny.

[Toddzilla]

Anyone who sees some one breaking the law and responds by breaking the law themselves is a world-class idiot.

[Bubba Wheels]

The U.S. military treats the American Flag as a living thing. During events the color guard never turns its back on it. Many Americans have given their life for the flag. During the civil war if the flag-barer was killed or wounded a nearby-soldier would drop his own weapon to pick up and carry the flag. If you are an American citizen in a foreign country and you display the American Flag, be prepared to take some flak, if your lucky.

You want to be in this country and fly a third-world country's flag like Mexico over the American one? You get what you deserve.

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

The U.S. military treats the American Flag as a living thing. During events the color guard never turns its back on it. Many Americans have given their life for the flag. During the civil war if the flag-barer was killed or wounded a nearby-soldier would drop his own weapon to pick up and carry the flag. If you are an American citizen in a foreign country and you display the American Flag, be prepared to take some flak, if your lucky.

You want to be in this country and fly a third-world country's flag like Mexico over the American one? You get what you deserve.

AMEN.

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by sabotai

dola,



Not according to the Reno police department...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/n...flag-flap.html

RENO, Nev. – Responding to a controversy over a Mexican flag flying at a local bar, Reno police and the American Civil Liberties Union issued statements Wednesday emphasizing it is not illegal to fly another flag above the American flag.

A Reno television station broadcast a story on Monday of a U.S. veteran, Jim Broussard, cutting down the U.S. flag flying above the bar and taking it away in protest of what the station reported was an illegal display of the flag.

...

The Reno Police Department said in a statement Wednesday that while the U.S. Code establishes protocol for the display of the American flag in relation to other flags, the protocol “is advisory and is not a criminal statute.


“There is no sanction for violation of the protocol and is not enforceable by local law enforcement,” the statement said.

It's a FEDERAL STATUTE, not a local one. The Reno Police are either being cowardly by not enforcing it, or idiotic for refusing to recognize it.