Werewolf LXIII - Fall of the Elementals (Game Over - Avatars Win!) - Page 20

Lathum · 12-17-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Hm, that's actually not a very convincing clear of Lathum.

huh?

I am as cleared as cleared can be.

I would chose Path at this point but I wanna review some posts from swaggs

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 12:23 PM

I can also clear Lathum on Night 3 as I was protecting him.

I agree with Lathum, insofar as the only case I can build for him is either as a cunning wolf or a convert. We don't know that either mechanic is in the game, so at this point I don't think he is a high-value vote.

Swaggs · 12-17-2007, 12:27 PM

I'll be around for a few hours before the deadline (and then be gone at the deadline, as I have to pickup my wife from the airport). So, I'll at least have a chance for some dialogue after work tonight.

Right now, I'm still focussed in on hoops and path. I'm hoping we get to hear from Path and JE by the time I get back.

Swaggs · 12-17-2007, 12:30 PM

I'm guessing no conversions, since there have been kills every night. If there was a conversion and there are three avatars, we are probably screwed since they can vote together today and probably get someone to pile on/screw up (since there isn't a perfectly clear candidate at this point).

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 12:31 PM

Swaggs, do you have any questions for me? I understand that you want to evaluate me vs Path in context of both of us replying, but since we are both here I'm willing to answer anything in particular about me that is bothering you.

Swaggs · 12-17-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Swaggs, do you have any questions for me? I understand that you want to evaluate me vs Path in context of both of us replying, but since we are both here I'm willing to answer anything in particular about me that is bothering you.

Not really, you have been pretty forthcoming.

I just feel like you or path are very, very likely to be an avatar based on that vote with Clap. Cronin feels a little trust towards path, but you have been more transparent with your actions, in my opinion.

I want to hear from the few guys that haven't checked in yet, but I will be voting for one of you two when I get home, unless JE names someone else that he IDed last night.

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 12:40 PM

Swaggs, did you block me last night? Just trying to work my way through the list of people who are denying it ...

Lathum · 12-17-2007, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm guessing no conversions, since there have been kills every night. If there was a conversion and there are three avatars, we are probably screwed since they can vote together today and probably get someone to pile on/screw up (since there isn't a perfectly clear candidate at this point).

unless Saldana had a night kill

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

To add one thing to the day notice.

The spirit of SnDvls was seen briefly during the night. His spirit was in horrid condition, looking even more battered and beaten than he did in life.

If someone is actuallly talking to the spirit of SnDvls please ask them about me - I know he trusted me and that he can vouch for me sending the Ethereal Servant to look at him on Night 1. That stuff is all in the thread, but I would expect that SnDvls would reiterate the same.

If someone isn't performaing a seance (sp?) with him then I have no idea what this means.

Lathum · 12-17-2007, 01:38 PM

Hoops, how many Avatars do you think are left?

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 01:41 PM

Lathum, I'm not sure. I would guess two (3 seems like right starting number with 15 players) but maybe it is one and another independent?

Swaggs has seemed intent on finding Humans, so the fact that he keeps asking about this makes me believe that there is another one out there. If that is the case, 1 Avatar and 1 Human adds up for me.

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 01:42 PM

I believe I have the only vote in at this point. Vote count as of Post #961:

Path - Hoops (901)

Lathum · 12-17-2007, 01:42 PM

ok, and you feel Path is the Avatar?

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 01:50 PM

Yeah, as we are the only two left who voted for MrW over Clap in their Avatar/Elemental showdown. I know I'm an Elemental, so if Clap is an Elemental then it means that the Avatars made no effort to save their own in a 5-4 vote.

I recognize that Path can/will use the exact same argument to come after me.

Here are the potential flaws with the theory, such as it is:
- Swaggs voted Saldana, never came back
- Cronin votes Clap, didn't come back late

So I suppose you could argue that one of these two are an Avatar, but I don't think that is anywhere close to the simplest explanation. The simplest explanation is that Path is an Avatar, which is why I have my vote on him.

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 01:52 PM

Above - "if Clap is an Elemental" should read "if Path is an Elemental"

Lathum · 12-17-2007, 01:56 PM

Well if Path is the sole Avatar, and you blocked him last night then how was there a kill?

Lathum · 12-17-2007, 01:59 PM

wait, I read something wrong

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 02:00 PM

No, I was blocked from killing him. I had every intention of not getting into this discussion today because I would take care of matters myself.

I most definitely did not block him.

Lathum · 12-17-2007, 02:02 PM

Cronin, do you have the ability to scan another player?

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 02:39 PM

Still haven't heard from either Path or Jonathan. No word from Jonathan since, what, Friday? This is a pretty frustrating part of werewolf - when you invest a week to get into end-mode and then have the game slow to a crawl from lack of participation.

Lathum · 12-17-2007, 02:42 PM

Hoops, do you remember if Cronin has mentioned scanning anyone this game?

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I originally had: 1 bodyguard action, 1 duke action, 1 uber-bodyguard action (would protect somebody from everything, not just attack), and 1 other action.

Night 1: bodyguarded myself, had my uber-bodyguard ability downgraded
Day 2: duked the vote
Night 3: bodyguarded myself again

Lathum, I don't recall Cronin saying he viewed anyone. Here is what he reported this morning as his actions for the first three days. He did not want to share his activity for last night.

path12 · 12-17-2007, 03:53 PM

Sorry for not being around, I'm about 18 hours into a 102 fever that judging by the rest of my family has another 10-12 hours to go. I really have no idea what's going on, and if I need to be replaced I understand, but I'm not gonna have a chance to catch up for awhile.

Sorry again.

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 03:58 PM

Path, you could make it easier for the rest of us - and not have to catch up much - by just confessing you are an Avatar

Sorry you aren't feeling well. I just kicked stomach flu (that travelled around our household) last week.

If you are going to play through, what did you do each of the last four nights? And are you as convinced I'm an Avatar as I am that you are one?

st.cronin · 12-17-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Night 1, SnDvls performed an action on me. This action was very accurately described by path as something that happened to him, as well, that same night. It was never revealed who did that to path.

Now, path could be bad if:

1. Avatars have the same abilities as elementals, and somebody who is dead did something to him. Based on clap's play, it seems unlikely that avatars and elementals ahve the same sort of abilities. But, I'm really not sure - the opening post describes them as "scary things" that can do "bad stuff," or something.

2. Alternately, path, as an avatar, may have had some ability to read my pm (or SnDvls pm, I suppose).

No comment on this from anybody yet?

Lathum · 12-17-2007, 04:13 PM

I think Cronin is the avatar

VOTE ST.CRONIN

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 04:18 PM

Cronin, here are my thoughts on the above:

1. It would have to be equally true if I was an Avatar as I've demonstrated multiple powers that have been validated by people - N1 w/SnDvls and N3 w/Lathum. I accept that this is part of the fabric of the rules.

2. I don't think we need to go down #2 since I agree with #1

The only part that bothers me about #1 in the case of Path is that no one has copped to using their power on Night 1 against Path.

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 04:19 PM

Lathum, does your vote for Cronin mean that you think both Path and I are Elementals (or at least not Avatars)?

You might be right on Cronin, but I'm looking to see you spell out your argument why this is the best way to go with today's vote.

Lathum · 12-17-2007, 04:20 PM

Because Cronin ALWAYS assumes I am a wolf. Always.

He has completly left me alone this game, so he must be a wolf.

st.cronin · 12-17-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Cronin, here are my thoughts on the above:

1. It would have to be equally true if I was an Avatar as I've demonstrated multiple powers that have been validated by people - N1 w/SnDvls and N3 w/Lathum. I accept that this is part of the fabric of the rules.

2. I don't think we need to go down #2 since I agree with #1

The only part that bothers me about #1 in the case of Path is that no one has copped to using their power on Night 1 against Path.

It could easily have been PurdueBrad who targeted path N1.

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 04:36 PM

Sure, and it could have been Swaggs - who hasn't said much at all about what he has done. Or Saldana, or Heinz, or probably another couple of people who are dead and haven't left information.

Either way, I think point #1 is probably accurate for the Avatars. We don't have a lot of information from Clap to support the theory, but I've been working with this assumption for a little while now.

Hopefully not just because it makes it easier for me to build a case against Path ... I try pretty hard not to get blindly locked into a direction in these games, sometimes more successfully than others.

st.cronin · 12-17-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

JE, sounds like you didn't get the cool elemental powers, as mine are entirely fish-based. I'm sure from this information that you must, in fact, be an avatar. I'll be voting for you as soon as I'm allowed to do so.

Actually, not so much. Just wanted something different to say than "elemental checking in".

Is there any value at this point in having some conversation about abilities? I honestly don't know as I read my PM if I'm a standard elemental, or if we are all going to have unique abilities. I suspect the latter, but figured I would put this out for some Day 1 group-think.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

This is just an odd post, made on day 1.

st.cronin · 12-17-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Sure, and it could have been Swaggs - who hasn't said much at all about what he has done. Or Saldana, or Heinz, or probably another couple of people who are dead and haven't left information.

Then I guess I don't understand why you are bothered that nobody has copped to doing it.

st.cronin · 12-17-2007, 04:50 PM

I haven't responded to Lathum's point yet because, quite frankly, I don't know how to. He hasn't gotten any heat from anybody in this game - the groupthink has been that Schmidty cleared him.

Lathum · 12-17-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I haven't responded to Lathum's point yet because, quite frankly, I don't know how to.

lol.

this made me laugh out loud.

I <3 Cronin

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 05:02 PM

I'm bothered because there was all kinds of time for people to admit to doing it if they were an Elemental. It would have helped us build some level of trust as a verifiable action.

So just to set the record straight - you are voting for me based on my variation of the "villager checking in" e-mail? Or the fact that I thought early in the game that there might be some benefit to talking about our abilities in a general sense? Because if you want to construct an argument for me that seems like a bizarre place to start.

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 05:05 PM

I'll give you another reason why Lathum is likely to be a good guy, fwiw. He doesn't come after me early in games as a bad guy. But he definitely was chasing after me the first couple of days. Now it is entirely possible that he has made some adjustments to his playing style (this is not the first game where I've mentioned this trait) but that made me feel pretty good about Lathum even before Schmidty cleared him.

And, as long as I'm talking meta-game, I feel very nervous about Cronin being around with me when we are down to the final six. I've played this version of werewolf out before as a villager and he was a wolf that time. He doesn't have any qualms about leaving me around in games when he is a bad guy, something that is not universally true for FOFC players/wolves.

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 05:11 PM

Votes as of Post #987:
Path - Hoops (901)
Cronin - Lathum (976)
Hoop - Cronin (982)

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 05:14 PM

Final note - I'll likely have limited availability this evening as I'll be Christmas shopping for the next couple of hours.

If I don't make it back before the deadline I hope I'm not returning to find myself lynched. I'm not too worried about this happening if there is only one Avatar, but if there are two then it could get pretty dicey. I hope that people will strongly consider voting for Path and not allowing the vote to get split among three candidates (as it is right now).

st.cronin · 12-17-2007, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm bothered because there was all kinds of time for people to admit to doing it if they were an Elemental. It would have helped us build some level of trust as a verifiable action.

So just to set the record straight - you are voting for me based on my variation of the "villager checking in" e-mail? Or the fact that I thought early in the game that there might be some benefit to talking about our abilities in a general sense? Because if you want to construct an argument for me that seems like a bizarre place to start.

I have to vote for somebody, and I can't bring myself to vote for any of the other players.

Swaggs · 12-17-2007, 07:15 PM

Well crap.

Nothing provided from Path (BTW, sorry you are not feeling well) or JE?

Swaggs · 12-17-2007, 07:18 PM

Lathum, can you come out and say if you IDed st cronin or not?

I'm not trying to come to cronin's defense or draw attention to myself, but I'm a little nervous about diverging from path or hoops (based solely on the Clap vote).

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 07:27 PM

Christmas shopping sucks - I'm not finding much in the way of deals and money is a bit tight. Oh well.

I've got about a 10-15 minute window before I'm on the move again. Any last minute questions?

st.cronin · 12-17-2007, 07:29 PM

Just one. I have good reasons for not voting for everybody but hoops and Swaggs. I know you don't want me voting for you, but can you make a case for or against Swaggs?

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 07:34 PM

Swaggs, for what it is worth I'm getting a fair amount paranoid about how this is going to shake out at the end. I won't be around at the deadline and this smells like a scenario that could end very badly for us with a late vote switch.

That said, I'm not sure who I more worried about sniping me - you or Lathum. Different reasons for each, I guess. But it is frustrating having one of the guys I do strongly feel is on my team (Jonathan) turn into a no-show. It really does change the dynamic down the stretch.

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Just one. I have good reasons for not voting for everybody but hoops and Swaggs. I know you don't want me voting for you, but can you make a case for or against Swaggs?

Well, you are asking me to make a case against a guy who I think is probably my 3rd choice to be an Avatar in a game where I'm just about sure there are not that many Avatars. But sure, here it is.

- hasn't published his actions all game long
- almost certainly has some agenda that is tied to Humans. I don't know for sure what this means in terms of Elemental/Avatar, but have been giving him the benefit of the doubt

Swaggs · 12-17-2007, 07:37 PM

Hoops, I'm really not sure to go. I feel like you are trying to help us win, so I'm hesitant to vote for you, but cronin is on you and path will presumably be on you. Looks like cronin is not interested in path, so he is stuck between me and you.

I will let you guys know that I was in contact with SnDvls last night. He was able to pass a power to me last night. That is what I was doing last night, if it helps.

st.cronin · 12-17-2007, 07:40 PM

Swaggs did you initiate the action with Sn?

Swaggs · 12-17-2007, 07:41 PM

Yes, I did.

hoopsguy · 12-17-2007, 07:41 PM

Last note, for what it is worth. I've got two powers left since Warlord's explanation about blocked actions applies to me from last night (my interpretation, probably should check to be 100% sure).

Rhino - going to get to complete a night kill
Yak - add a vote to one player

Both of those could potentially be very useful if we make it to tomorrow. Particularly the vote, as I'm not certain we would have wiggle room to make it through two bad lynches. But I'm going to be an ally that the other Elementals want to have on any day other than Trout/Squid.

12-17-2007, 12:27 PM	#953
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I'll be around for a few hours before the deadline (and then be gone at the deadline, as I have to pickup my wife from the airport). So, I'll at least have a chance for some dialogue after work tonight. Right now, I'm still focussed in on hoops and path. I'm hoping we get to hear from Path and JE by the time I get back. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

12-17-2007, 12:30 PM	#954
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I'm guessing no conversions, since there have been kills every night. If there was a conversion and there are three avatars, we are probably screwed since they can vote together today and probably get someone to pile on/screw up (since there isn't a perfectly clear candidate at this point). __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

12-17-2007, 03:53 PM	#973
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Sorry for not being around, I'm about 18 hours into a 102 fever that judging by the rest of my family has another 10-12 hours to go. I really have no idea what's going on, and if I need to be replaced I understand, but I'm not gonna have a chance to catch up for awhile. Sorry again. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

12-17-2007, 04:50 PM	#984
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I haven't responded to Lathum's point yet because, quite frankly, I don't know how to. He hasn't gotten any heat from anybody in this game - the groupthink has been that Schmidty cleared him. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-17-2007, 07:15 PM	#991
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Well crap. Nothing provided from Path (BTW, sorry you are not feeling well) or JE? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

12-17-2007, 12:23 PM	#952
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I can also clear Lathum on Night 3 as I was protecting him. I agree with Lathum, insofar as the only case I can build for him is either as a cunning wolf or a convert. We don't know that either mechanic is in the game, so at this point I don't think he is a high-value vote.

12-17-2007, 12:31 PM	#955
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Swaggs, do you have any questions for me? I understand that you want to evaluate me vs Path in context of both of us replying, but since we are both here I'm willing to answer anything in particular about me that is bothering you.

12-17-2007, 12:40 PM	#957
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Swaggs, did you block me last night? Just trying to work my way through the list of people who are denying it ...

12-17-2007, 01:38 PM	#960
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Hoops, how many Avatars do you think are left?

12-17-2007, 01:41 PM	#961
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Lathum, I'm not sure. I would guess two (3 seems like right starting number with 15 players) but maybe it is one and another independent? Swaggs has seemed intent on finding Humans, so the fact that he keeps asking about this makes me believe that there is another one out there. If that is the case, 1 Avatar and 1 Human adds up for me.

12-17-2007, 01:42 PM	#962
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I believe I have the only vote in at this point. Vote count as of Post #961: Path - Hoops (901)

12-17-2007, 01:42 PM	#963
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	ok, and you feel Path is the Avatar?

12-17-2007, 01:50 PM	#964
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Yeah, as we are the only two left who voted for MrW over Clap in their Avatar/Elemental showdown. I know I'm an Elemental, so if Clap is an Elemental then it means that the Avatars made no effort to save their own in a 5-4 vote. I recognize that Path can/will use the exact same argument to come after me. Here are the potential flaws with the theory, such as it is: - Swaggs voted Saldana, never came back - Cronin votes Clap, didn't come back late So I suppose you could argue that one of these two are an Avatar, but I don't think that is anywhere close to the simplest explanation. The simplest explanation is that Path is an Avatar, which is why I have my vote on him.

12-17-2007, 01:52 PM	#965
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Above - "if Clap is an Elemental" should read "if Path is an Elemental"

12-17-2007, 01:56 PM	#966
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Well if Path is the sole Avatar, and you blocked him last night then how was there a kill?

12-17-2007, 01:59 PM	#967
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	wait, I read something wrong

12-17-2007, 02:00 PM	#968
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	No, I was blocked from killing him. I had every intention of not getting into this discussion today because I would take care of matters myself. I most definitely did not block him.

12-17-2007, 02:02 PM	#969
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Cronin, do you have the ability to scan another player?

12-17-2007, 02:39 PM	#970
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Still haven't heard from either Path or Jonathan. No word from Jonathan since, what, Friday? This is a pretty frustrating part of werewolf - when you invest a week to get into end-mode and then have the game slow to a crawl from lack of participation.

12-17-2007, 02:42 PM	#971
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Hoops, do you remember if Cronin has mentioned scanning anyone this game?

12-17-2007, 03:58 PM	#974
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Path, you could make it easier for the rest of us - and not have to catch up much - by just confessing you are an Avatar Sorry you aren't feeling well. I just kicked stomach flu (that travelled around our household) last week. If you are going to play through, what did you do each of the last four nights? And are you as convinced I'm an Avatar as I am that you are one?

12-17-2007, 04:13 PM	#976
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I think Cronin is the avatar VOTE ST.CRONIN

12-17-2007, 04:18 PM	#977
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Cronin, here are my thoughts on the above: 1. It would have to be equally true if I was an Avatar as I've demonstrated multiple powers that have been validated by people - N1 w/SnDvls and N3 w/Lathum. I accept that this is part of the fabric of the rules. 2. I don't think we need to go down #2 since I agree with #1 The only part that bothers me about #1 in the case of Path is that no one has copped to using their power on Night 1 against Path.

12-17-2007, 04:19 PM	#978
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Lathum, does your vote for Cronin mean that you think both Path and I are Elementals (or at least not Avatars)? You might be right on Cronin, but I'm looking to see you spell out your argument why this is the best way to go with today's vote.

12-17-2007, 04:20 PM	#979
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Because Cronin ALWAYS assumes I am a wolf. Always. He has completly left me alone this game, so he must be a wolf.

12-17-2007, 04:36 PM	#981
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Sure, and it could have been Swaggs - who hasn't said much at all about what he has done. Or Saldana, or Heinz, or probably another couple of people who are dead and haven't left information. Either way, I think point #1 is probably accurate for the Avatars. We don't have a lot of information from Clap to support the theory, but I've been working with this assumption for a little while now. Hopefully not just because it makes it easier for me to build a case against Path ... I try pretty hard not to get blindly locked into a direction in these games, sometimes more successfully than others.

12-17-2007, 05:02 PM	#986
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm bothered because there was all kinds of time for people to admit to doing it if they were an Elemental. It would have helped us build some level of trust as a verifiable action. So just to set the record straight - you are voting for me based on my variation of the "villager checking in" e-mail? Or the fact that I thought early in the game that there might be some benefit to talking about our abilities in a general sense? Because if you want to construct an argument for me that seems like a bizarre place to start.

12-17-2007, 05:05 PM	#987
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'll give you another reason why Lathum is likely to be a good guy, fwiw. He doesn't come after me early in games as a bad guy. But he definitely was chasing after me the first couple of days. Now it is entirely possible that he has made some adjustments to his playing style (this is not the first game where I've mentioned this trait) but that made me feel pretty good about Lathum even before Schmidty cleared him. And, as long as I'm talking meta-game, I feel very nervous about Cronin being around with me when we are down to the final six. I've played this version of werewolf out before as a villager and he was a wolf that time. He doesn't have any qualms about leaving me around in games when he is a bad guy, something that is not universally true for FOFC players/wolves.

12-17-2007, 05:11 PM	#988
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Votes as of Post #987: Path - Hoops (901) Cronin - Lathum (976) Hoop - Cronin (982)

12-17-2007, 05:14 PM	#989
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Final note - I'll likely have limited availability this evening as I'll be Christmas shopping for the next couple of hours. If I don't make it back before the deadline I hope I'm not returning to find myself lynched. I'm not too worried about this happening if there is only one Avatar, but if there are two then it could get pretty dicey. I hope that people will strongly consider voting for Path and not allowing the vote to get split among three candidates (as it is right now).

12-17-2007, 07:18 PM	#992
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Lathum, can you come out and say if you IDed st cronin or not? I'm not trying to come to cronin's defense or draw attention to myself, but I'm a little nervous about diverging from path or hoops (based solely on the Clap vote). __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

12-17-2007, 07:27 PM	#993
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Christmas shopping sucks - I'm not finding much in the way of deals and money is a bit tight. Oh well. I've got about a 10-15 minute window before I'm on the move again. Any last minute questions?

12-17-2007, 07:29 PM	#994
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Just one. I have good reasons for not voting for everybody but hoops and Swaggs. I know you don't want me voting for you, but can you make a case for or against Swaggs? __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-17-2007, 07:34 PM	#995
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Swaggs, for what it is worth I'm getting a fair amount paranoid about how this is going to shake out at the end. I won't be around at the deadline and this smells like a scenario that could end very badly for us with a late vote switch. That said, I'm not sure who I more worried about sniping me - you or Lathum. Different reasons for each, I guess. But it is frustrating having one of the guys I do strongly feel is on my team (Jonathan) turn into a no-show. It really does change the dynamic down the stretch.

12-17-2007, 07:37 PM	#997
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Hoops, I'm really not sure to go. I feel like you are trying to help us win, so I'm hesitant to vote for you, but cronin is on you and path will presumably be on you. Looks like cronin is not interested in path, so he is stuck between me and you. I will let you guys know that I was in contact with SnDvls last night. He was able to pass a power to me last night. That is what I was doing last night, if it helps. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?