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Old 12-18-2007, 02:26 PM   #51
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Oh wait...one other question, given that's obviously a user-created file. What are the actual ratings of the skill position players? (I'm wondering about how relative the terms you're using are.)
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Old 12-18-2007, 02:41 PM   #52
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Cohesion was Excellent at 98. He was playing Flanker and was rated 67/67. His Route Running is good, but not spectacular. He was maxed out in Adjust to Ball and Big Play Receiving, at least 60 or higher in everything else.

Marino hadn't declined too much. He was still a 56/56 QB with decent bars everywhere but timing. Again, I think the high formation knowledge really helped here.
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Old 12-18-2007, 02:42 PM   #53
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Oh wait...one other question, given that's obviously a user-created file. What are the actual ratings of the skill position players? (I'm wondering about how relative the terms you're using are.)

I forgot to save the season I did, but this is from memory:

Marino 56/56
Parmalee 43/43
McDuffie 67/67
All other WR's in the 30's
Drayton 50/50
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Old 12-18-2007, 02:48 PM   #54
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Cohesion was Excellent at 98. He was playing Flanker and was rated 67/67. His Route Running is good, but not spectacular. He was maxed out in Adjust to Ball and Big Play Receiving, at least 60 or higher in everything else.

Marino hadn't declined too much. He was still a 56/56 QB with decent bars everywhere but timing. Again, I think the high formation knowledge really helped here.
Maxed out. Aha. There are plenty of indications that guys who are maxed out (or very near maxed out) can have ratings over 100 in that particular category. So it sounds like he's got some crazy Adjust to Ball and BPR ratings, helping him catch a bunch of stuff thrown his way, and make good on the deep passes. And yeah, with the FOF2K7 engine, 56/56 is a darn solid QB. He'd be the 7th highest-rated in my SP league at that number. (And a 67/67 WR would be #2.) Formation knowledge is surely a plus, too. Maybe I should clarify what I wrote, but the short version is this: with an above average QB throwing to a top-tier receiver, those results aren't that surprising.
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Old 12-18-2007, 03:18 PM   #55
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I ran it again with a new X Factor applied...

Marino: 43/43 (very low ratings in everything but Deep Passes, Accuracy, Sense Rush, and Read Defense. 16 known formations).
Parmalee: 45/45 (Receiving skills in the 40's)
McDuffie: 68/68 (AD 84, GD 77, RR 57, TDC 75, BPR 72, CO 41, ADJ 56, END 85)
Jordan: 30/30
Jacquet: 24/28
Gadsden: 21/38
Drayton: 45/45
Not quite as good results, but certainly much better than expected. This offense seems to be good for finding ways to keep your stud WR open even when he has no help.

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Year 1998 Record 14-4 Winning Pct. .777 All-Time 13-3 Winning Pct. .812 Playoffs 1-1 Playoff Visits 1 Bowl Wins 0 Head Coach Mitch Merchant Record 14-4 Winning Pct. .777 Off. Coord. T. Wirtz Def. Coord. D. Idonije Delaware Encryptors Team Rank Rushes per Game 26.4 17 Rushing Yards 105.8 17 Yards Per Carry 4.01 22 Pass Attempts 37.5 5 Completions 22.9 4 Completion Pct. 61.2 11 (T) Passing Yards 264.4 5 Yards Per Attempt 7.05 13 Yards Per Catch 11.53 13 Total Yardage Gained 362.2 7 3rd Down Conversions 47.2 1 Points Per Game 24.0 12 Pass Rush Pct. 20.3 20 Pass Defense Pct. 60.4 8 (T) Turnovers 21 6 Turnover Margin -3 20 (T) Opponents Team Rank Rushes per Game 24.5 12 Rushing Yards 103.6 12 Yards Per Carry 4.23 22 Pass Attempts 37.1 27 Completions 21.3 26 Completion Pct. 57.2 9 (T) Passing Yards 233.6 18 Yards Per Attempt 6.29 8 Yards Per Catch 10.99 14 Total Yardage Gained 323.6 14 3rd Down Conversions 39.9 21 Points Per Game 18.7 8 Pass Rush Pct. 18.6 8 (T) Pass Defense Pct. 44.7 6 Turnovers 18 30 Week Team Versus Oppnt 1 24 at LWC 14 2 14 JAX 21 3 21 at RAL 18 4 23 DES 9 5 24 at GRJ 23 6 44 at CPH 17 7 27 HRS 10 8 24 CUR 14 10 31 CHV 17 11 34 at SAV 24 12 19 at STU 17 13 25 RAL 21 14 20 at CHV 37 15 21 LAP 17 16 9 at HRS 30 17 24 KAI 10 $$CS 10 MEX 7 $$CF 9 at MEM 41 Passing Pos Att Comp Yards Y/Att TD Int Rate 5 D. Marino QB 588 364 4199 7.14 28 11 91.5 **Team --- 600 367 4230 7.05 29 12 90.2 $$Opp --- 594 340 3737 6.29 22 11 80.6 Rushing Pos Att Yards Y/Att TD Fum Front Office Football 2007 27 B. Parmalee RB 249 986 3.96 6 3 1 K. Abdul-Jabbar RB 142 650 4.58 5 5 **Team --- 422 1693 4.01 12 22 $$Opp --- 392 1658 4.23 11 18 Receiving Pos Targ Catch Yards Y/Ctc Y/Tar Drop TD 88 O. McDuffie WR 206 125 1774 14.19 8.61 3 11 83 C. Jordan WR 113 66 768 11.64 6.80 7 5 85 N. Jacquet WR 75 49 510 10.41 6.80 4 2 82 O. Gadsden WR 77 38 438 11.53 5.69 2 6 84 T. Drayton TE 30 21 181 8.62 6.03 1 1 27 B. Parmalee RB 30 21 131 6.24 4.37 2 1 Defense Pos Tack Asst Sack Hurr Ints Defn PDPct 56 Z. Thomas ILB 97 36 0.5 7 0 8 77.5 41 S. Wooden S 92 44 3.0 2 1 9 79.1 23 S. Madison CB 69 15 1.0 0 1 14 76.6 22 P. Surtain CB 67 28 0.0 0 2 9 76.2 44 B. Marion S 56 20 2.0 0 0 18 82.7 53 D. Hollier OLB 54 24 1.0 3 2 7 79.9 95 T. Armstrong DE 49 16 10.0 25 0 0 81.0 75 J. Taylor DE 49 15 7.0 19 0 0 81.5 39 T. Buckley CB 45 14 1.0 0 4 14 83.1 92 D. Gardnener DT 44 14 2.0 11 0 1 81.6 51 D. Rodgers OLB 29 6 1.0 1 1 1 76.2 90 B. Tanner DT 26 13 1.5 1 0 0 81.9 29 J. Wilson S 20 1 0.0 0 0 7 79.1
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Old 12-18-2007, 03:30 PM   #56
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I guess what I'm saying is that I love the Greatest Show.
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Old 12-18-2007, 03:35 PM   #57
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it's interesting that this game plan would produce a high 3rd comp. %, but even in year two it's almost 50%
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Old 12-18-2007, 03:37 PM   #58
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Heh.

And I'm not 100% convinced that second trial is outstanding, really. Yeah, McDuffie gets some eye-popping numbers, but that's more a result of just pure repetition. His target percentage is off the charts there, and my guess is that it would be off the charts no matter what sort of game plan was used. His 8.61 yards per target is definitely good--but not crazy good, either. My concern would be if the game plan is *too* good, and I don't think it is.
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Old 12-18-2007, 04:29 PM   #59
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Ok. This illustrates perfectly what I mean here. I loaded up the 2007 Broncos. Javon Walker is their highest-rated receiver, and no other is over 45. He's got endurance in the 90s, and plays flanker, which means he's on the field for nearly every pass play. Here's how he did in each game plan, and also under Rex:

NAME Targets Catches Yards Yds/Target
SmashMouth 158 106 1553 9.83
West Coast 167 117 1623 9.72
PlayActionVertical 207 115 1990 9.61
CoachRex 180 102 1610 8.94
Balanced 196 123 1744 8.90
GreatestShowOnTurf 210 117 1672 7.96
RunAndShoot 204 133 1593 7.81


Notice that even in a single-season trial, the user-created game plans lined up almost perfectly in this manner: the more passing there was, the lower his yards per target ended up being. (The Rex season was 47.4% running, very similar to Balanced and West Coast.) So, point being, doubt it was the "Greatest Show On Turf" game plan that gave him those numbers as much as it was his skill set and the rest of the team. Note how Walker completely ate up the targets in the Play Action/Vertical Passing offense, since the ball was being thrown down the field more. I didn't track target percentage, but that's got to be in the 40% range.
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Old 12-18-2007, 05:07 PM   #60
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Good point. I guess I got really excited at seeing McDuffie's outrageous numbers in that first trial. I hadn't really run any other tests on it, though.
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Old 12-19-2007, 01:11 AM   #61
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cohesion plays a higher role than i previously gave it credit for.

Really? You don't say?
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Old 12-19-2007, 06:42 AM   #62
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ALL: One thing I'd appreciate: if you're working from one of these game plans in a MP league, let me know (either publicly or PM). I'd love to follow your team and see how it's going.
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Really? You don't say?

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Someone should move that "oh skydog, this is how much I suck thread" over to this forum, so i can update it more frequently. it gonna be a bumpy ride this season for the california zeroes.
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Old 12-19-2007, 01:33 PM   #65
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Old 12-20-2007, 12:38 AM   #66
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SkyDog...great post, as usual. Now, where is your singleback only gameplan?

I'm also anxiously awaiting some defensive gameplans because I've been focusing on that as of late and still can't come up with anything useful to me or the community. Ugh.

I can offer you some insite into the one I am running.

The offense itself runs really well if you have the players for it.

I have found that while you don't need a FB to run it, you do need a couple of quality TE's and a QB with not only knowing the formations, but with very solid bars.

Also, if you have one or two 'top' end WR's that you want to get the ball, I've noticed that the single back offense spreads the ball out pretty evenly. For example, in the league I am using it, I have a WR that is 100 in every catagory except the returns (which he is 0), 97 3rd down catching and 98 courage. Here's their current stats after 9 games:



The 'uber' WR is Herman Nager. And those stats are pretty.... ordinary, especially comparing them to the numbers he's put up in other seasons. At this pace, this has a chance of being his worst stat year:



So, given the multi-WR sets, I think that if you have a WR you want to get most of your passes, this isn't the offense for you.

Now, the team is currently 3-6, but I attribute that to the QB (amassing 17 turnovers by himself). While he's a pretty solid QB, his bar in Medium passing is what I think is causing the issue. Because looking at how the offense has been running, other than the QB's turnovers, it's a very solid, methodical offense. Just the way I like it.



Maybe this would run more efficent if I had a QB with a little better in medium passes. I am thinking of cutting out the medium passing all together, and just going with screen passes/short passes and long passes, but the medium covers such a needed area for this kind of offense 11-20, kinda hard to imagine doing that.
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Notes moved into appropriate posts now.
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Old 12-21-2007, 07:36 AM   #68
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Wow, between these gameplans and Primelord's new blitz stats there is plenty to keep me busy over Christmas holiday. great work.
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Old 12-22-2007, 10:08 AM   #71
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I'm finally getting a chance to really check these out. Amazing work.
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Old 12-22-2007, 10:10 AM   #72
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So far the one I really like the most is the run and shoot. Possibly because I grew up a Falcon's fan and loved watching that offense in action during the 90's.

My teams that I have been using it with in single player have been dominating the time of possession.
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Old 12-22-2007, 12:10 PM   #73
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Anyone run the Play Action Vertical Passing? Just curious because I ran it with Arizona year one. The only change I made to the team was I traded a guard for a draft pick.

However the "Roster Strengths" are as follows ... Center, 62 around 13th in the league. At Guard I'm rated 32, and ranked 22nd. At Tackle, 56 and ranked 12th. Edgerrin James is 71/71 and his highest running category is an 83 which is breakaway. So, nothing ground breaking.

I expected to get more passing numbers than anything with this setup, but Edgerrin ran for nearly 2,000 yards on 5.36 YPC.

Is this normal? I'll probably (duh) continue to run it with team, so I'll have a larger sample size, but I just thought it was a bit odd.

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Old 12-23-2007, 02:34 AM   #74
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Anyone run the Play Action Vertical Passing? Just curious because I ran it with Arizona year one. The only change I made to the team was I traded a guard for a draft pick.

However the "Roster Strengths" are as follows ... Center, 62 around 13th in the league. At Guard I'm rated 32, and ranked 22nd. At Tackle, 56 and ranked 12th. Edgerrin James is 71/71 and his highest running category is an 83 which is breakaway. So, nothing ground breaking.

I expected to get more passing numbers than anything with this setup, but Edgerrin ran for nearly 2,000 yards on 5.36 YPC.

Is this normal? I'll probably (duh) continue to run it with team, so I'll have a larger sample size, but I just thought it was a bit odd.

-- Steve --

Well, let's break this one down for a moment:



On first and 10, you're more likely to run than pass. And if that run gains three yards or more, you're even *more* likely to run on the subsequent play. If the first and 10 play is an incompletion, you've still got a 50% chance of running. That's why it's called "play action" vertical passing. It uses the running game to open up downfield passing. But if you happen to have a very good running back and a solid offensive line, that's not a big surprise. Note that in the sample season there were nearly 500 rushing attempts. Get a RB who has high endurance, and he'll get a good 400+ of those attempts. Check the two grids:

NAME RUN% COMP% PassYPC SHORT MED LONG
PlayActionVertical HIGH LOW-MEDIUM VERY HIGH LOW HIGH VERY HIGH



NAME RUN% SHORT MED LONG
PlayActionVertical 52.2% 36.8% 35.6% 27.6%
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One suggestion I would make with the Run and Shoot is to have a QB who knows 12 or more formations. When watching games with a QB who knew 10 formations I started to get the familiar messages in the late stages of the 3rd Quarter and the 4th.

I watched this happen over the course of a full season. The Next season my QB knew 12 formations and I rarely ever got the familiar messages.

I understand one full season isn't really a great indicator but it was enough for me to at least come here and post this observation.

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One suggestion I would make with the Run and Shoot is to have a QB who knows 12 or more formations. When watching games with a QB who knew 10 formations I started to get the familiar messages in the late stages of the 3rd Quarter and the 4th.

I watched this happen over the course of a full season. The Next season my QB knew 12 formations and I rarely ever got the familiar messages.

I understand one full season isn't really a great indicator but it was enough for me to at least come here and post this observation.

In general, whether it's with these game plans or with your own user-created ones, the farther away from the center of the run/pass and pass-distance normal balances you get, the more formations your QB needs to know. With these six, I'd especially take notice of formations for Run and Shoot, Vertical, and Smash Mouth.
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In general, whether it's with these game plans or with your own user-created ones, the farther away from the center of the run/pass and pass-distance normal balances you get, the more formations your QB needs to know. With these six, I'd especially take notice of formations for Run and Shoot, Vertical, and Smash Mouth.

I really haven't ran into the Familiar message using a low formation QB and the Smash Mouth offense as long as you keep the running breakdown at equal to all areas. While I understand some teams like to load up a dominant run blocking side and run behind it, with the Smash Mouth is just works better to run to all areas.

I am sure most of this is just obvious stuff but I just wanted to share what little I could, heh.
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Anyone run the Play Action Vertical Passing? Just curious because I ran it with Arizona year one. The only change I made to the team was I traded a guard for a draft pick.

However the "Roster Strengths" are as follows ... Center, 62 around 13th in the league. At Guard I'm rated 32, and ranked 22nd. At Tackle, 56 and ranked 12th. Edgerrin James is 71/71 and his highest running category is an 83 which is breakaway. So, nothing ground breaking.

I expected to get more passing numbers than anything with this setup, but Edgerrin ran for nearly 2,000 yards on 5.36 YPC.

Is this normal? I'll probably (duh) continue to run it with team, so I'll have a larger sample size, but I just thought it was a bit odd.

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Yes. I run a modified version of the Play Action Vertical and those numbers are normal with a good RB.
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I have Tampa bay in the Cyber Football League. We're in our second season after starting in 2007 with Yabanci's updated roster, so my offense is essentially Tampa Bay's current roster, less joey Galloway. Becht is hurt, so I'm using Kris Wilson at TE, who has been good after the catch. last year I reached the NFC Championship.
This season I'm 2-1 and decided to load the West Coast Offense against Atlanta (0-3), a team I should beat with any decent offense. I won 26-14, with several long drives, most of which stalled out at the end.
Garcia: 24/32, 202 yards, 2 TDs, no picks. 2 sacks.
Time of possession: 40/20 in my favor.
38 rushes for 155, mostly Cadillac, some Pittman.
1 defense familiar.

Edit to add: I forgot to reset the offensive adjustment percentages, so all was "same"

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Old 12-25-2007, 02:39 PM   #81
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thanks a lot for sharing and putting the work into developing those plans
Used the run&shoot for a couple years and had good success with a decent team. Just a minute ago i had like the most amazing game in a while with the "greatest show on turf" plan. I am in rebuilding mode, have a promising young core in the O-line and decent defense but not much else. After an 0-3 start i lost my patience with the young QB i drafted a year ago (now he´s 1-8 as starter and just played terrible every single game... ) and reinserted my 15 year veteran who was the face of my franchise who is only a 37 in rating (but since he never was over 51 yet has a 95 career QB rating, and a 104 in the POs and won me 4 rings, who cares about ratings ) and decided : Well, if i´m going to loose, than i´ll at least let my favourite player throw some balls in what might be his last year.
And he did : 24-34 for 459 yards, 5 TD passes (and 3 picks) Won 52-19

Got back to earth next game with just 212 yards.
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I would also recommend when running the Run and Shoot that your QB has a good Third Down Passing rating. That's my QB's worst rating, and running a similar offense to the Run and Shoot in my last game helped me move the ball, but we failed to get into the endzone a lot, as we stalled on third downs. 4/16 to be specific. The short passes on 1st and 2nd down set up a lot of 3rd downs, so that would be a good thing to have.
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Thanks. I found out after a couple of minutes of sniffing around, so you can't see my post. I appreciate the help though. Thanks again.
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I loaded up the run and gun for my eNFL team (Jax), whose fullback is hurt. I have a decent team, but we were going up against Houston, which is 8-1 and simply owns us so I decided to experiment. I played without a fullback, reduced the I, strong and weak formations and upped the one-backs and pro sets. I have a very good QB (an ancient Leftwich) and below average receivers who drop a lot of passes. I ended up losing 31-28, which is much better than I thought I'd do.

Leftwich went off: 31/47, 413 yards, 4 TDs, 1 INT, 113.2. With a sack and a scramble that's 50 pass plays with only 1 defense familiar call (with 2:10 left in the fourth). I have to say that I'm impressed.
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I loaded up the run and gun for my eNFL team (Jax), whose fullback is hurt. I have a decent team, but we were going up against Houston, which is 8-1 and simply owns us so I decided to experiment. I played without a fullback, reduced the I, strong and weak formations and upped the one-backs and pro sets. I have a very good QB (an ancient Leftwich) and below average receivers who drop a lot of passes. I ended up losing 31-28, which is much better than I thought I'd do.

Leftwich went off: 31/47, 413 yards, 4 TDs, 1 INT, 113.2. With a sack and a scramble that's 50 pass plays with only 1 defense familiar call (with 2:10 left in the fourth). I have to say that I'm impressed.

Leftwich survived 50 pass plays without getting injured? This is quite clearly a bug and I hope Jim gets it fixed ASAP.
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played my 1st exhibition game using a gameplan from this library. we won 23-10. we would've scored 40+ if i had a better QB, my current "starter" is a guy who's only redeeming quality is high accuracy and high avoid INTs. my backup undrafted FA rookie put up better #'s, throwing a td and 0 ints compared to 2 INTs and 0 td's from my starter. i am rolling out complete crap at QB. i may consider starting the season with the undrafted rookie, i think story-wise it'd be awesome to follow if he can put up semi-solid stats. he played great and he may be one of those creeper mask guys everyone talks about. Jack Sherman is his name. that's a decent name, sounds like a winner.

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Old 12-27-2007, 09:22 AM   #88
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Leftwich survived 50 pass plays without getting injured? This is quite clearly a bug and I hope Jim gets it fixed ASAP.

let's hear it for the Fountain-of-Youth patch.
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Old 12-27-2007, 02:10 PM   #89
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I'm trying out the Run N Gun offense, and it definitely works. It buffs up the quarterback's stats like it should, but the only thing I find is that the plays around the third and fourth quarter are mostly familiar with the defense.
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Old 12-27-2007, 02:13 PM   #90
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I'm trying out the Run N Gun {sic} offense, and it definitely works. It buffs up the quarterback's stats like it should, but the only thing I find is that the plays around the third and fourth quarter are mostly familiar with the defense.
I assume you mean Run And Shoot here. I think I mentioned this earlier, but you need a QB who knows a good number of formations to use the Run And Shoot without getting a lot of familiar messages late in the game.
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I assume you mean Run And Shoot here. I think I mentioned this earlier, but you need a QB who knows a good number of formations to use the Run And Shoot without getting a lot of familiar messages late in the game.
Oops, I meant Run and Shoot, not Run N' Gun... Anyways, I remember you saying that just now, so I apologize. I'm using Harrington (and Leftwich; it's preseason), but I don't know how to teach them more formations. Anyone know?
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They learn more formations in training camp, based on the amount of time dedicated to "Study Films and Playbook," and their intelligence. I'd want my QB to know at least 15 to do the Run and Shoot, among those at least four of the five formations that use one or zero backs.
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Well then it sounds like my offense isn't fit for a Run and Shoot. What offense would you consider for the Atlanta Falcons? Thanks.
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What offense would you consider for the Atlanta Falcons?

The "bust-Vick-out-of-prison" offense.



I don't play with real rosters ever, so I don't know how FOF has the Falcon players rated. In general, though, I'd look at the skill sets of the QBs and receivers. Given what I know about the Falcons and their lack of talent in general, I'd just go ball control--West Coast or Smash Mouth.
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Just got the game, first thing before I start the exibition season I plan to get a good understanding of the offensive game planning. Will take a better look at defense side later. I plan to start with the balance attack and make a few variations and slight adjustments to use against teams that are weak against the run etc.

Looks like it will be fun to play.

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Thanks for posting these SkyDog!
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I loaded up the run and shoot for my eNFL team (Jax), whose fullback is hurt. I have a decent team, but we were going up against Houston, which is 8-1 and simply owns us so I decided to experiment. I played without a fullback, reduced the I, strong and weak formations and upped the one-backs and pro sets. I have a very good QB (an ancient Leftwich) and below average receivers who drop a lot of passes. I ended up losing 31-28, which is much better than I thought I'd do.

Leftwich went off: 31/47, 413 yards, 4 TDs, 1 INT, 113.2. With a sack and a scramble that's 50 pass plays with only 1 defense familiar call (with 2:10 left in the fourth). I have to say that I'm impressed.

Part 2 (and final) installment of the fullback-less offense.

Same gameplan against the 8-2 Cowboys.
Leftwich: 24/40, 205 yrds, 2 TDs, 1 Int (returned for TD). I think we had 1 familiar call (plus 1 on a run).

Rushing: 20 for 88, of which 35 yards came on the final drive as we ran out the clock?! i guess they got tired.

We won the game because their young QB had to throw 52 times through only 11 formations. Although he was carving us up in the first half, our defense was familiar with nearly every play in the 4rth quarter. The result: 5 INTs: 1 for a TD and 2 in our redzone.

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I played a little bit with the Balanced Offensive Game Plan. Decided I would like to tweek it a little for each game. So if I am playing a team with the 25th Run defense and the 5th Pass defense, I run a bit more etc.

Developed a 5 x 5 grid which includes 25 versions of the balanced game plan with slight adjustments. The East to West grid is based on the team I am playing and their rankings on Run vs Pass defense. North to south is based on their ability and rankings of Defense against Long vs Short Pass.

Before each game, I simply review the above mentioned categories along with the opponents scouting report and load one of the 25 game plans depending on where the fall in the grid.
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