WW LXVI: Money Money Money (Game Over!)

[claphamsa]

prety sure yeah!

[claphamsa]

This was loads of fun! It was my second time as a wolf... and my second time fuckign up and getting axed! hmmmmm

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I set mine @ $100K like I said I was doing

also I think the fact that Arles never showed as my "original" heir I should have gotten to switch it without having to pay, but I never pushed the issue and I should have.

Yeah, I think Barkeep should have offered to let you change it when Arles left the game, assuming I hadn't examined it using the lawyer yet.

[claphamsa]

So my question is... how did the game end? Jackall got lynched..... I dont see a count of who was left...

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

So my question is... how did the game end? Jackall got lynched..... I dont see a count of who was left...

Only SnDvls was left and the wolves had a kill with the night. So he just (rightly) assumed the game was over.

I won FOB on Days Four and Seven.

[path12]

I still can't believe I changed my beneficiary to Pass. What a moron. I had already nailed him earlier in the day and then talked myself out of it.

EDIT: To clarify, I'm the moron, not Pass.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Also, would the rich people have won if we'd done endgame when i voted it a few days ago? Just curious.

Both Pass and I kept track most of the way through of how much money we estimated the villagers had. I think we figured that the village would have won if they voted end game every day except 2.. The day that we pulled the switch-a-roo on Tyrith and killed him plus the day Chief bid huge on the underworld connections. Other than that I think we would have lost the other days.

[Barkeep49]

I'm still not sure how I gave Chief the wrong FOB info, as it appears I did. I'm glad it didn't make a difference.

I really think the game was balanced since the villagers were ahead several times and could have voted to end the game. If they had listened to CR and voted to end the game basically any night they'd have won. Because of money people had in CDs the wolves were ahead Days 6 & 7, but the villagers had more money Days 5, 8, and 9. On Day 8, the villagers were ahead 2-1, but the late sniping on DT wiped out that advantage, giving them only a slight advantage on Day 9.

Alan: The tiebreaker was order people signed up. So Render signed up 4th and beat you with the 30k bid signing up 6th.

And the wolves didn't play a perfect game. For instance they neutered their own PMs gaining no strategic benefit, as I'd determined prior to the start of the game that if the PM block was used that there would be no announcement. I figured if the wolves won it, they'd just do nothing with it, or do the everybody PM option. Failing to break the tie that day could have been very costly, since bankrupting, not killing people, was the way for the wolves to get ahead in this game.

I'll point out that Arles, unlike Swaggs, did show up to play, having sent in his Night 0 orders. Swaggs was my fault and should have never been listed in the game, it should have been ntn instead.

Overall, I think the wolves did what they needed to do in order to win. It might have been slightly stacked against them, but their ability to coordinate money and bids was a significant advantage that did play out to their favor.

If there are other questions I can answer I'll do my best to answer them. I'd be particularly interested in hearing feedback about the unusual mechanics for this game (how people could be killed, it was their money which was important, voting multiple times, no unvoting, voting to end the game are some of the ones I can think of right away).

[Barkeep49]

Here's the original bribe amounts. There was definitely a nice range in amounts and the wolves only overpaid by 20k with Mr. W, far less than if they'd converted DaddyT, Tyrith, or the Jackal.

1. Lathum 100,000
2. Pass NA
3. hoopsguy 70,000
4. path
5. Render 50,000
6. Arles 75,000
7. Alan T NA
8. The Jackal 20,000
9. Chief Rum 60,001
10. mauboy 35,000
11. Schmidty 75,000
12. claphamsa NA
13. SnDvls 100,000
14. Mr. Wednesday 80,000
16. DaddyTorgo 20,000
17. saldana 42,827
18. Tyrith 20,000

[hoopsguy]

Fun game, although it just sucks to see it end with villager apathy.

Alan, add me to the list who will be gunning for you in mid/late game, at least until I see one time where it actually is a wolf setup.

Nice execution by the wolves down the stretch. Would love to play this format again, but it doesn't make sense if players are not committed to actively playing over the lifetime of the game.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Fun game, although it just sucks to see it end with villager apathy.

Nice.

[Lathum]

I agree with hoops. It sucks to put in 2 weeks in a game and have it end with the remaining good players not being active.

That being said, Friday night at 10:00 is a tough deadline and regardless of the situation in game I'm not sure I would sacrifice my social time for a game of WW.

I really thing we need to not have friday night deadlines.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I agree with hoops. It sucks to put in 2 weeks in a game and have it end with the remaining good players not being active.

That being said, Friday night at 10:00 is a tough deadline and regardless of the situation in game I'm not sure I would sacrifice my social time for a game of WW.

I really thing we need to not have friday night deadlines.

For what it is worth, I think the Valentine's day deadline was a bigger issue this game than the friday night one.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I agree with hoops. It sucks to put in 2 weeks in a game and have it end with the remaining good players not being active.

That being said, Friday night at 10:00 is a tough deadline and regardless of the situation in game I'm not sure I would sacrifice my social time for a game of WW.

I really thing we need to not have friday night deadlines.

I can get behind that -- if I the night I died were not a Friday, I probably wouldn't have passed my money, and could have saved myself. Especially since we go slow on the weekend anyway, I can see doing without Friday night.

[saldana]

barkeep,

can you clarify for me if i really had the BG service the night i died?

it would suck if i really did, as i had originally typed that i would protect myself, and then changed it to protect hoops.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by saldana

barkeep,

can you clarify for me if i really had the BG service the night i died?

it would suck if i really did, as i had originally typed that i would protect myself, and then changed it to protect hoops.

No you were out bid that night.

[claphamsa]

I didnt like the cost for unvoting.... It really beat down a lot of discussion, and random vote tossing. And once I had about 3 votes on me there was no way to talk myself out of it....

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Alan T

For what it is worth, I think the Valentine's day deadline was a bigger issue this game than the friday night one.

I agree. We really should have thought ahead and run a longer day that day...shit...even carried it over till Monday. If I had had even one more villager in the thread with me there on V-day I might have been saved and we might have won the game.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Only SnDvls was left and the wolves had a kill with the night. So he just (rightly) assumed the game was over.

I won FOB on Days Four and Seven.

actually only Schmidty & The Jackayl were left w/ the 2 wolves I was night killed.

I was not the one giving up and assuming game over...just want that clarified

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

actually only Schmidty & The Jackayl were left w/ the 2 wolves I was night killed.

I was not the one giving up and assuming game over...just want that clarified

Fair enough. Sorry to have indirectly implicated you.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

actually only Schmidty & The Jackayl were left w/ the 2 wolves I was night killed.

I was not the one giving up and assuming game over...just want that clarified

I didn't totally give up. I thought it was basically over. I was hardly on the computer that day, and made the wrong play; however, I resent the fact that everyone keeps saying that I was simply apathetic. I made a knee-jerk assumption, that if I could go back, I would change. I should have looked at things closer, and I admit that.

And for what it's worth, if anyone has a problem with me, PM me or call me out by name (like SnDvls did), instead of being gossiping little fucktards and moaning about me behind my back.

I was actually seriously thinking about quitting WW altogether, but I have decided that I won't. I'm going cast aside this "I'm terrible at WW" thing, and go back to what I used to be a looooooong time ago: An aggressive, obssessed, kick-your-ass player. If people don't like it, oh well. But I'll be damned if I'm going to be called apethetic and let you little weasels talk shit about me again.

Rawwwwwwwwwwwwrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SnDvls]

Schmidty - not saying you did I should have clarified that too sorry.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I didn't totally give up. I thought it was basically over. I was hardly on the computer that day, and made the wrong play; however, I resent the fact that everyone keeps saying that I was simply apathetic. I made a knee-jerk assumption, that if I could go back, I would change. I should have looked at things closer, and I admit that.

And for what it's worth, if anyone has a problem with me, PM me or call me out by name (like SnDvls did), instead of being gossiping little fucktards and moaning about me behind my back.

I was actually seriously thinking about quitting WW altogether, but I have decided that I won't. I'm going cast aside this "I'm terrible at WW" thing, and go back to what I used to be a looooooong time ago: An aggressive, obssessed, kick-your-ass player. If people don't like it, oh well. But I'll be damned if I'm going to be called apethetic and let you little weasels talk shit about me again.

Rawwwwwwwwwwwwrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Schmidty, I'm going to assume you are talking about me here given that you quoted my message earlier and again used the term apathetic.

I wasn't around to watch hour by hour as the deadline counted down - I saw the results. And at the deadline on the last night the only two people who were around were the wolves. Similarly, you and Jackal cast votes to end the game when there was no way to carry 60% of the vote with four players left and two clearly identified wolves still in the group.

The only way to win the game was to invest money as votes, but neither person did that. Similarly, there were no other villagers around (based on posts near the deadline) to help DaddyTorgo the night he got smoked.

I was bummed to see what I thought was a very compelling game, that could have gone either way, turn on the willingness of the wolves to show up at the deadline. If that one factor had been matched by the remaining villagers I think they win the game.

I'm sorry you are taking it personally that I said "villager apathy" lost the game. Actually, that is a crappy apology - I'm sorry for saying what I typed because it is a shitty soundbite. I should have originally posted longer thoughts, like I have now done, which invite a better conversation.

I wanted the villagers to win this game. I thought it was there to be won. It is disappointing that it did not happen. But the last thing I'm looking to do is aggravate fellow posters in the wrap-up session. I'll choose my words more carefully next time.

[claphamsa]

RRRRRAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR

[Chief Rum]

Put me down with hoops. Schmidty is a big boy; he can take it and doesn't need to be babied.

The villagers did get apathetic at the end, and anyone who was still alive needs to accept their accountability for that. I don't frankly think it's warranted that Schmidty or anyone left in the game should go off on anyone else after how they played the end of that game.

There was another villager, but he seems to know he made a mistake and hasn't gotten all sanctimonious on us.

Schmidty, love ya man. But you're just plain wrong. Glad you said you made a mistake. Now don't go off on us for pointing it out. And I look forward to playing with you in the next game.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Glad you said you made a mistake. Now don't go off on us for pointing it out. And I look forward to playing with you in the next game.

It's one thing to politely point out that I didn't make the right play, but it's another thing for people to insinuate that I just didn't care. I don't mind people critiquing my skills, but to say that I was apathetic is almost an insult to my character.

Anyway, I got mad, said my piece, and that's that. Moving on.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

It's one thing to politely point out that I didn't make the right play, but it's another thing for people to insinuate that I just didn't care. I don't mind people critiquing my skills, but to say that I was apathetic is almost an insult to my character.

Anyway, I got mad, said my piece, and that's that. Moving on.

That's true, although in fairness, how do they know what your schedule is? They probably felt they were giving you the benefit of the doubt in saying you were apathetic, rather than you fucked up. Maybe they think most people would ratehr be seen as having been busy or not have time to care than to simply have been wrong.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

That's true, although in fairness, how do they know what your schedule is? They probably felt they were giving you the benefit of the doubt in saying you were apathetic, rather than you fucked up. Maybe they think most people would ratehr be seen as having been busy or not have time to care than to simply have been wrong.

I'm not arguing anymore. I hear things about......things.

That's all I'm saying. It's behind me, so let's just let it go.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

Schmidty - not saying you did I should have clarified that too sorry.

Hey, I didn't give up either.. I was trying to vote end game for several days but no one wanted to listen to me.

[The Jackal]

I don't like being stalled with two votes on heinz, so just to encourage something..

vote render

[claphamsa]

Wrong game you twit!

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Hey, I didn't give up either.. I was trying to vote end game for several days but no one wanted to listen to me.

sorry but several no votes and beign very inactive tells me different