WW LXVII -- The Return of Divination Nation! (GAME OVER STUDENTS WIN!!!) - Page 23

saldana · 02-20-2008, 06:09 AM

dodgerchick came back as a student

vote nfg

saldana · 02-20-2008, 06:10 AM

hi neon, you are missing a fun one.

saldana · 02-20-2008, 06:11 AM

and for the quad dola....i have an important client coming in to visit for the entire morning, so I may not be around until late afternoon, or possibly even this evening when i get home.

Passacaglia · 02-20-2008, 06:27 AM

okay, so i scanned...what? really? ah, crap. That's okay. I'm told the next game will be worth twice as much, so it'll all even out.

claphamsa · 02-20-2008, 06:37 AM

my scan indicated Cronin is a wolf.

Dr. Sak · 02-20-2008, 06:47 AM

I scanned nfg and he came up a student. Chief I really think you are being silly worrying about a you vs nfg battle. There are a few scans of you already and they have come up student. Plus at the rate you are going you are 0 for 1. You scanned Lathum last night and said he came up wolf...well now you are doing the same to nfg. I am not counting N0 scans right now cause I dont know what to make of them. Hopefully you come back before the deadline to see some discussions.

I'd like to know if anyone scanned Pumpy, Oliegirl, Dodgerchick, and another one on Cronin.

Pumpy Tudors · 02-20-2008, 07:04 AM

I scanned nfg22 again, and he came up student for me this time. I was working toward finding out if I was the teacher's pet, but it seems that I'm not. I don't know which direction to turn right now, which I guess makes the wolves happy.

Lorena · 02-20-2008, 07:28 AM

I scanned Barkeep and he came up student again.

st.cronin · 02-20-2008, 08:24 AM

I scanned Chief Rum and he came up wolf. So far I'm either 1 for 2 or 0 for 1, depending on what happened n-0. I had greyroofoo as a villager and passacaglia as a wolf.

claphamsa · 02-20-2008, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I scanned Chief Rum and he came up wolf. So far I'm either 1 for 2 or 0 for 1, depending on what happened n-0. I had greyroofoo as a villager and passacaglia as a wolf.

or maybe your a wolf......

st.cronin · 02-20-2008, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

or maybe your a wolf......

Definitely not.

The Jackal · 02-20-2008, 08:37 AM

I scanned nfg and he came up a student.

The Jackal · 02-20-2008, 08:43 AM

And unfortunately I'm out all day and night working, probably not back until around 10:30 EST - so I'm going to put my vote on someone who was under some heat..

vote dodgerchick

MikeVic · 02-20-2008, 08:45 AM

Scanned Barkeep and he came up student for me.

st.cronin · 02-20-2008, 08:46 AM

The first part of this is n-1 scans, then the conclusions we can draw from those. After that I have the n-2 scans that are in so far, and how we can judge them.

Code:

scanner		target		result
claphamsa	Lathum		Student
Barkeep49	Lathum		Student
RendeR		Lathum		Wolf
Chief Rum	Lathum		Wolf
ntndeacon	Lathum		wolf

The Jackal	Barkeep49	Student
saldana		Barkeep49	Student
Dodgerchick	Barkeep49	Student
SnDvls		Barkeep		Student

nfg22		claphamsa	Student
MikeVic		Clap		Wolf

Bsak16		Chief Rum	Student
oliegirl	ChiefRum	Student

st.cronin 	Passacaglia 	Wolf
Mr. Wednesday	Passacaglia	Wolf

Pumpy Tudors	nfg22		Wolf


Lathum		Dodgerchick	Wolf

Passacaglia	RendeR		Student

mauboy1		no scan
jeheinz72	no scan

RendeR - between 0 and 100 that he's a wolf (since Pass was neither TP nor Fool)
st.cronin - 0 chance that he's the Teacher's Pet
Mr. Wednesday - 0 chance that he's the Teacher's Pet
claphamsa - 0 chance that he's the Fool
Barkeep49 - 0 chance that he's the fool
RendeR - 0 chance that he's the Teacher's Pet
Chief Rum - 0 chance that he's the Teacher's Pet
ntndeacon - 0 chance that he's the Teacher's Pet 

Mr.Wednesday	Chief Rum	student (could be wrong)
Chief Rum	nfg22		wolf (could be wrong)
Barkee49	nfg22		wolf (could be correct)
st.cronin	Chief Rum	nfg22 (could be wrong)

jeheinz72 · 02-20-2008, 08:49 AM

Hey folks, had no idea we were doing the group thing (I put in my night action at 6 PM EST)

I scanned DodgerChick and she came back student

MikeVic · 02-20-2008, 08:50 AM

This night 0 stuff is making this incredibly frustrating.

st.cronin · 02-20-2008, 08:50 AM

update:

Code:

scanner		target		result
claphamsa	Lathum		Student
Barkeep49	Lathum		Student
RendeR		Lathum		Wolf
Chief Rum	Lathum		Wolf
ntndeacon	Lathum		wolf

The Jackal	Barkeep49	Student
saldana		Barkeep49	Student
Dodgerchick	Barkeep49	Student
SnDvls		Barkeep		Student

nfg22		claphamsa	Student
MikeVic		Clap		Wolf

Bsak16		Chief Rum	Student
oliegirl	ChiefRum	Student

st.cronin 	Passacaglia 	Wolf
Mr. Wednesday	Passacaglia	Wolf

Pumpy Tudors	nfg22		Wolf


Lathum		Dodgerchick	Wolf

Passacaglia	RendeR		Student

mauboy1		no scan
jeheinz72	no scan

RendeR - between 0 and 100 that he's a wolf (since Pass was neither TP nor Fool)
st.cronin - 0 chance that he's the Teacher's Pet
Mr. Wednesday - 0 chance that he's the Teacher's Pet
claphamsa - 0 chance that he's the Fool
Barkeep49 - 0 chance that he's the fool
RendeR - 0 chance that he's the Teacher's Pet
Chief Rum - 0 chance that he's the Teacher's Pet
ntndeacon - 0 chance that he's the Teacher's Pet 

Mr.Wednesday	Chief Rum	student (could be wrong)
Chief Rum	nfg22		wolf (could be wrong)
Barkee49	nfg22		wolf (could be correct)
st.cronin	Chief Rum	wolf (could be wrong)
TheJackal	nfg22		student
MikeVic		Barkeep49	student

jeheinz72 · 02-20-2008, 08:50 AM

jeheinz72 · 02-20-2008, 08:50 AM

Ok, here are

st.cronin · 02-20-2008, 08:52 AM

Note that if we assume the wolves were hunting for the Teacher's Pet, then its pretty likely that Render actually is a student.

jeheinz72 · 02-20-2008, 08:55 AM

Bah! Stupid tab button...

Ok, here are the numbers I have for Scanners, discounting N0. These are confirmed hits and misses (results from dead people whose side we know, Lathum and Pass). I'm discounting GRF since scans of him were all n0 which is just a clusterfuck.

BK - 1 for 1 (scanned Lathum-V, n1)
CR - 0 for 1 (scanned Lathum-W, n1)
Clap - 1 for 1 (scanned Lathum-V, n1)
Mr W - 0 for 1 (scanned Pass-W, n1)
NTN - 0 for 1 (scanned Lathum-W, n1)
RendeR -0 for 1 (scanned Lathum-Wm n1)
St. Cronin - 0 for 1 (scanned Pasa-W, n1)

jeheinz72 · 02-20-2008, 08:58 AM

Here are the results of living people, as the person scanned, discounting n0

Barkeep: 0 Wolf out of 6
CR: 1 wolf out of 4
Clap: 1 wolf out of 2
DC: 1 wolf out of 3
nfg: 3 wolf out of 6
Render: 0 wolf out of 1
St. Cronin: 1 wolf out of 1

jeheinz72 · 02-20-2008, 09:04 AM

I think CR had it about right, I'm deciding between him and nfg as to where my vote will go today. If nothing else, with Lathum's lynching, I see the value in lynching someone with a lot of scans on them.

st.cronin · 02-20-2008, 09:08 AM

I had assumed yesterday that the wolves would target one of the players who had scanned Barkeep. That they didn't, and went for Pass instead, makes me think either:

1. that 1 or more of the players who scanned Barkeep n-1 are wolves
2. that there is something interfering with a scan of Barkeep

st.cronin · 02-20-2008, 09:12 AM

jeheinz, I agree - I think so far Chief Rum or nfg make the most compelling candidates. Lynch anybody else, and I think we lose ground in the information race.

mauchow · 02-20-2008, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana

huh?

pass was not one of the group designated targets....why on earth would you have predicted he would be killed?

I didn't predict anything.

All I said was I didn't want to scan someone who was going to die which is why I stayed away from my group. It was a last second decision but I figured it'd be worth it.

I just read my PM this morning and it says my scan for Pass cleared him as a villager, so take that for what it's worth. Maybe my scan did count.

jeheinz72 · 02-20-2008, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

2. that there is something interfering with a scan of Barkeep

I had this same thought honestly. I know yesterday I spoke of the whole 80% thing about BK being good, but 6 out of 6 now? That just seems, improbable with out some n0-esque manuevering.

Pure spec here, but maybe one of the wolves (in this case barkeep) has some sort of cloak-theif-type-role where their scans come back as villager no matter what?

That's probably not anything worth going off of for today, but it's worth thinking about for later.

jeheinz72 · 02-20-2008, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

jeheinz, I agree - I think so far Chief Rum or nfg make the most compelling candidates. Lynch anybody else, and I think we lose ground in the information race.

Who do you like out of those two?

claphamsa · 02-20-2008, 09:19 AM

VOTE cronin.

jsut to get it all started....

st.cronin · 02-20-2008, 09:22 AM

Initially I guess I like nfg more, since it gives us two kinds of information: scan information, and vote information.

I'm also about convinced Barkeep's either a wolf or somehow in league with the wolves, although in either case, it may actually be harmful for us to lynch him. I think we need to stop scanning him, though.

MikeVic · 02-20-2008, 09:23 AM

I didn't like the sound of nfg yesterday and kept my vote on him. but CR's weird vote has me scared of him now.

Barkeep49 · 02-20-2008, 09:28 AM

I was hoping I wouldn't have to reveal this early, but since cronin seems hung up on it: My role is that people scanning me will always get my true role (villager).

Barkeep49 · 02-20-2008, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

VOTE cronin.

jsut to get it all started....

I think this is a bad vote. Basically the only thing we have to be suspicious of cronin is your 1 scan. It seems to me based on actions alone we'd want to look at CR and based on data points we'd want to look at NFG.

nfg22 · 02-20-2008, 09:30 AM

As per my group, I scanned CR. He came up smelling a little hairy. Wolf. I suppose this pits me even more against him. I dont know who to vote for right now.

nfg22 · 02-20-2008, 09:31 AM

Second, I think BK is cleared because there is no reason to make that statement.

jeheinz72 · 02-20-2008, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfg22

Second, I think BK is cleared because there is no reason to make that statement.

Sure there is. It gets him trust of people (like you just did). He could just as easily be a wolf who always scans as a villager.

No offense BK, I'm not planning to come after you at all today or really anytime soon, but that "reveal" of yours means little to me.

nfg22 · 02-20-2008, 09:34 AM

BK could have been making that statement to throw us off but the risk outweighs the reward. He wasn't a top 2 target and his explanation is feasable.

jeheinz72 · 02-20-2008, 09:34 AM

It looks like the last night 2 scans we need are from NTN, Olie, RendeR and SnDvls

nfg22 · 02-20-2008, 09:35 AM

How did I get people to trust me like that? I dont even have a role past seer.

jeheinz72 · 02-20-2008, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfg22

BK could have been making that statement to throw us off but the risk outweighs the reward. He wasn't a top 2 target and his explanation is feasable.

What risk? There's no risk in his making that statement.

jeheinz72 · 02-20-2008, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfg22

How did I get people to trust me like that? I dont even have a role past seer.

No I mean his statement gets others to trust him, which you did very quickly. That was my point.

Barkeep49 · 02-20-2008, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Sure there is. It gets him trust of people (like you just did). He could just as easily be a wolf who always scans as a villager.

No offense BK, I'm not planning to come after you at all today or really anytime soon, but that "reveal" of yours means little to me.

Fair enough, but think of the game balance implications if this were held by a wolf. It could be potentially heavily imbalancing as anyone who scanned me would have not only learned nothing about how accurate they are but they would have recieved false info. I feel bad for the 5 people who've scanned me since they've basically wasted their scan, but at the same time I didn't feel like I could say "don't scan me"...

nfg22 · 02-20-2008, 09:39 AM

Sir, I contend, it was quite time consuming to get other to trust me. I started with a 7-3 disadvantage. Then it took 4-5 hours to clear that up.

jeheinz72 · 02-20-2008, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfg22

Sir, I contend, it was quite time consuming to get other to trust me. I started with a 7-3 disadvantage. Then it took 4-5 hours to clear that up.

No offense, but the way I read it, it didn't have a lot to do with you. It had a lot more to do with Lathum having been scanned so many times that it just made more sense in people's eyes.

I voted for DC yesterday, but if I was forced to choose between just you and Lathum, I would've voted for you (which of course is a very easy statement to make today, admiteddly). Point being, not sure if it was your convincing so much as it was a strategic-information-decision that people made.

RendeR · 02-20-2008, 09:43 AM

Heiney: I think BK coming out with that nreveal does nothing but draw unwanted attention to him if he IS a wolf. And while I can see your PoV, I just think it'd be a poor move on BK's part to come out so early with something like that. Its not a smart play. And if I know anything about BK's play its that he's a smart cookie.

So yes its something to consider, but the timing, the reveal itself etc etc makes me think he's on the up and up on this one.

st.cronin · 02-20-2008, 09:44 AM

VOTE NFG22

RendeR · 02-20-2008, 09:45 AM

I also agree with Heinz in that it wasn't anything you did nfg, to turn things yesterday. It was really all Lathum's own doing after a fashion. his own self fullfilling prophecy, so to speak.

RendeR · 02-20-2008, 09:46 AM

Oh and my scan was on DC and she came back Student.

jeheinz72 · 02-20-2008, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Fair enough, but think of the game balance implications if this were held by a wolf. It could be potentially heavily imbalancing as anyone who scanned me would have not only learned nothing about how accurate they are but they would have recieved false info. I feel bad for the 5 people who've scanned me since they've basically wasted their scan, but at the same time I didn't feel like I could say "don't scan me"...

No, I get what you're saying. I guess while what you're saying could be completely true, and as of right now I don't necessarily doubt it, if it comes down near end-game I'm not putting you in any sort of COT based on that statement alone, ya know?

I think the balancing issue is minor. I think things have already been done to screw with that stuff a bit (n0, of course). So with n0 screwy, I don't find it too far out of the realm for a wolf to always scan as a student.

Frankly, I think you should have just told people not to scan you, if your statement is true. I mean you really have nothing to lose as a good guy, it's not like a scan would occur that would prove you as a liar and it's not like the wolves aren't full-well-clear that you're a student. Heck, the wolves would probably even keep someone around who always scans villager like that.

02-20-2008, 06:27 AM	#1104
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	okay, so i scanned...what? really? ah, crap. That's okay. I'm told the next game will be worth twice as much, so it'll all even out. __________________ Pride and Prejudice -- an FOF9 Lions dynasty, starting 1966

02-20-2008, 06:37 AM	#1105
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	my scan indicated Cronin is a wolf. __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

02-20-2008, 07:04 AM	#1107
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I scanned nfg22 again, and he came up student for me this time. I was working toward finding out if I was the teacher's pet, but it seems that I'm not. I don't know which direction to turn right now, which I guess makes the wolves happy. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

02-20-2008, 08:24 AM	#1109
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I scanned Chief Rum and he came up wolf. So far I'm either 1 for 2 or 0 for 1, depending on what happened n-0. I had greyroofoo as a villager and passacaglia as a wolf. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-20-2008, 08:52 AM	#1121
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Note that if we assume the wolves were hunting for the Teacher's Pet, then its pretty likely that Render actually is a student. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-20-2008, 06:09 AM	#1101
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	dodgerchick came back as a student vote nfg

02-20-2008, 06:10 AM	#1102
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	hi neon, you are missing a fun one.

02-20-2008, 06:11 AM	#1103
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	and for the quad dola....i have an important client coming in to visit for the entire morning, so I may not be around until late afternoon, or possibly even this evening when i get home.

02-20-2008, 06:47 AM	#1106
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	I scanned nfg and he came up a student. Chief I really think you are being silly worrying about a you vs nfg battle. There are a few scans of you already and they have come up student. Plus at the rate you are going you are 0 for 1. You scanned Lathum last night and said he came up wolf...well now you are doing the same to nfg. I am not counting N0 scans right now cause I dont know what to make of them. Hopefully you come back before the deadline to see some discussions. I'd like to know if anyone scanned Pumpy, Oliegirl, Dodgerchick, and another one on Cronin.

02-20-2008, 07:28 AM	#1108
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	I scanned Barkeep and he came up student again.

02-20-2008, 08:37 AM	#1112
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I scanned nfg and he came up a student.

02-20-2008, 08:43 AM	#1113
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	And unfortunately I'm out all day and night working, probably not back until around 10:30 EST - so I'm going to put my vote on someone who was under some heat.. vote dodgerchick

02-20-2008, 08:45 AM	#1114
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Scanned Barkeep and he came up student for me.

02-20-2008, 08:49 AM	#1116
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Hey folks, had no idea we were doing the group thing (I put in my night action at 6 PM EST) I scanned DodgerChick and she came back student

02-20-2008, 08:50 AM	#1117
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	This night 0 stuff is making this incredibly frustrating.

02-20-2008, 08:50 AM	#1119
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Ok,

02-20-2008, 08:50 AM	#1120
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Ok, here are

02-20-2008, 08:55 AM	#1122
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Bah! Stupid tab button... Ok, here are the numbers I have for Scanners, discounting N0. These are confirmed hits and misses (results from dead people whose side we know, Lathum and Pass). I'm discounting GRF since scans of him were all n0 which is just a clusterfuck. BK - 1 for 1 (scanned Lathum-V, n1) CR - 0 for 1 (scanned Lathum-W, n1) Clap - 1 for 1 (scanned Lathum-V, n1) Mr W - 0 for 1 (scanned Pass-W, n1) NTN - 0 for 1 (scanned Lathum-W, n1) RendeR -0 for 1 (scanned Lathum-Wm n1) St. Cronin - 0 for 1 (scanned Pasa-W, n1)

02-20-2008, 08:58 AM	#1123
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Here are the results of living people, as the person scanned, discounting n0 Barkeep: 0 Wolf out of 6 CR: 1 wolf out of 4 Clap: 1 wolf out of 2 DC: 1 wolf out of 3 nfg: 3 wolf out of 6 Render: 0 wolf out of 1 St. Cronin: 1 wolf out of 1

02-20-2008, 09:04 AM	#1124
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	I think CR had it about right, I'm deciding between him and nfg as to where my vote will go today. If nothing else, with Lathum's lynching, I see the value in lynching someone with a lot of scans on them.

02-20-2008, 09:08 AM	#1125
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I had assumed yesterday that the wolves would target one of the players who had scanned Barkeep. That they didn't, and went for Pass instead, makes me think either: 1. that 1 or more of the players who scanned Barkeep n-1 are wolves 2. that there is something interfering with a scan of Barkeep __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-20-2008, 09:12 AM	#1126
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	jeheinz, I agree - I think so far Chief Rum or nfg make the most compelling candidates. Lynch anybody else, and I think we lose ground in the information race. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-20-2008, 09:19 AM	#1130
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	VOTE cronin. jsut to get it all started.... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

02-20-2008, 09:22 AM	#1131
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Initially I guess I like nfg more, since it gives us two kinds of information: scan information, and vote information. I'm also about convinced Barkeep's either a wolf or somehow in league with the wolves, although in either case, it may actually be harmful for us to lynch him. I think we need to stop scanning him, though. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-20-2008, 09:23 AM	#1132
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I didn't like the sound of nfg yesterday and kept my vote on him. but CR's weird vote has me scared of him now.

02-20-2008, 09:28 AM	#1133
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I was hoping I wouldn't have to reveal this early, but since cronin seems hung up on it: My role is that people scanning me will always get my true role (villager).

02-20-2008, 09:30 AM	#1135
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	As per my group, I scanned CR. He came up smelling a little hairy. Wolf. I suppose this pits me even more against him. I dont know who to vote for right now.

02-20-2008, 09:31 AM	#1136
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	Second, I think BK is cleared because there is no reason to make that statement.

02-20-2008, 09:34 AM	#1138
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	BK could have been making that statement to throw us off but the risk outweighs the reward. He wasn't a top 2 target and his explanation is feasable.

02-20-2008, 09:34 AM	#1139
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	It looks like the last night 2 scans we need are from NTN, Olie, RendeR and SnDvls

02-20-2008, 09:35 AM	#1140
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	How did I get people to trust me like that? I dont even have a role past seer.

02-20-2008, 09:39 AM	#1144
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	Sir, I contend, it was quite time consuming to get other to trust me. I started with a 7-3 disadvantage. Then it took 4-5 hours to clear that up.

02-20-2008, 09:43 AM	#1146
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Heiney: I think BK coming out with that nreveal does nothing but draw unwanted attention to him if he IS a wolf. And while I can see your PoV, I just think it'd be a poor move on BK's part to come out so early with something like that. Its not a smart play. And if I know anything about BK's play its that he's a smart cookie. So yes its something to consider, but the timing, the reveal itself etc etc makes me think he's on the up and up on this one. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

02-20-2008, 09:44 AM	#1147
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	VOTE NFG22 __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-20-2008, 09:45 AM	#1148
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	I also agree with Heinz in that it wasn't anything you did nfg, to turn things yesterday. It was really all Lathum's own doing after a fashion. his own self fullfilling prophecy, so to speak. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png