Werewolf LXX Pleasure Cruise - (GAME OVER)

[jeheinz72]

It's always nice to come in to work in the morning and see everyone voting for the person you wanted to vote for. Makes a guy feel kinda smart

Vote Swaggs

[jeheinz72]

FTR

0) Safari, driver killed, crazy guy escapes to jungle. Choose to drive jeep back
1) Ruins, nothing happened, saw no one in particular
2) Shipwreck snorkeling, nothing happened, saw no one in particular

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I don't have light to shed on it yet. I met my requirement - not sure if there would have been punishment for not doing so, or if there is an upcoming reward for doing so. I guess it could have been solely for Alan's amusement, but as of right now I don't have any info that I haven't already shared.

So nothing happened, he just told you to do it?

[st.cronin]

I'm all for lynching Swaggs instead of me, in fact he was one of the people I considered voting for yesterday. But I think we need to hear from Swaggs first.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm all for lynching Swaggs instead of me, in fact he was one of the people I considered voting for yesterday. But I think we need to hear from Swaggs first.

I agree. I'm still not sure I understand what the argument is against Swaggs, anyway? Can someone lay it out again for me?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I agree. I'm still not sure I understand what the argument is against Swaggs, anyway? Can someone lay it out again for me?

Lathum claims somebody cut the ropes tying the boat to the dock. He thinks it must have been somebody ON the boat, and, apparently, Swaggs was on the boat. Seems pretty tenuous to me.

[nfg22]

The argument is this.

Basically
1.Lathum said he was hungover and didnt leave the boat.
2. Lathum later says while on the boat someone cut the ropes and he fixed them.
3.Swags says he stayed back because he was hungover and couldnt leave the boat.
3. Lathum says he had the option to leave but didnt. Thus swags saying he didnt have the option to leave was a lie.
4. Swags lied thus he probably cut the ropes.

[nfg22]

Now answer my question. Can we leave the boat today?

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I agree. I'm still not sure I understand what the argument is against Swaggs, anyway? Can someone lay it out again for me?

For me, it's a couple things.

First, when he went after me yesterday it seemed forced. Like he *really* wanted me out. Don't know if that has anything to do with SY's allegiences (who is the only other person I came in today thinking of voting for) but it was a little too overly agressive from someone with nothing to gain.

Secondly, I think Lathum said that he basically made up that he was too hungover and had to stay on the ship, but then Swaggs used that same line. So one of the two is lying or it's a rather large coincidence.

Thirdly, Lathum's story about the ropes being cut, and thinking someone had to be on the boat to do that (which makes sense to me), that adds suspicion on those that stayed on the boat yesterday, which Swaggs did.

I think that's the case, or at least how I read it (hope it was proper!)

[nfg22]

yes.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by nfg22

Now answer my question. Can we leave the boat today?

I think we can, he gave us excursion options, didn't he?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by nfg22

Now answer my question. Can we leave the boat today?

Why wouldn't we be able to?

[nfg22]

Because of the legal troubles. Werent we originally supposed to make our next stop today?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

For me, it's a couple things.

First, when he went after me yesterday it seemed forced. Like he *really* wanted me out. Don't know if that has anything to do with SY's allegiences (who is the only other person I came in today thinking of voting for) but it was a little too overly agressive from someone with nothing to gain.

Secondly, I think Lathum said that he basically made up that he was too hungover and had to stay on the ship, but then Swaggs used that same line. So one of the two is lying or it's a rather large coincidence.

Thirdly, Lathum's story about the ropes being cut, and thinking someone had to be on the boat to do that (which makes sense to me), that adds suspicion on those that stayed on the boat yesterday, which Swaggs did.

I think that's the case, or at least how I read it (hope it was proper!)

But why would Swaggs want *you* out in particular?

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Alan T

You also should all review the local pamphlet as tommorrow you will have another day in GeorgeTown to adventure:

Grand Cayman is one of a group of three magnificent tropical islands Christopher Columbus called "Las Tortugas" (the turtles) for the sea creatures he found in the ocean water. The designation did not endure, however, for on later maps the islands were labeled the Caimanau, the Carib Indian word for "crocodile." The name "Caimanas" refers inaccurately to the iguanas native to the islands, which were perhaps at one point mistaken for crocodiles. Among other attractions, visitors to the island will enjoy learning about the turtles, visiting the town of Hell, exploring Seven-Mile Beach and enjoying the undersea world.

- Snorkle with stingrays at Stingray City Sandbar
- Stop at the Conch Shell House, constructed entirely of the trumpet shells of the mollusk
- Visit the Tutle Farm, an interactive sea-turtle nursery where green and hawksbill turtles are bred and raised.
- Paddle along Grand Cayman's world-renowned Seven-Mile Beach on a kayaking adventure
- Experience a bird's-eye perspective of Grand Cayman on an exciting flightseeing tour.
- Explore a historic shipwreck while snorkeling the beautiful Cayman waters.
- Go shopping in George Town and see why Grand Cayman is humorously referred to as "Brand Cayman" by those savvy shoppers who know the island's reputation for fabulous prices on designer merchandise.

Turn 4 has begun, this is a voting turn in which you must vote someone off of the ship. Obviously anyone who currently is not on the ship or whom has been removed from the game can not be chosen for a vote. You also will want to PM me choices for your adventure tommorrow

Deadline is 3:00pm EST Thursday

Looks to me like we can...

[Passacaglia]

Turn 4 has begun, this is a voting turn in which you must vote someone off of the ship. Obviously anyone who currently is not on the ship or whom has been removed from the game can not be chosen for a vote. You also will want to PM me choices for your adventure tommorrow

Post 963. We can leave the boat.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

But why would Swaggs want *you* out in particular?

Well, the theorist in me is because I still believe SY to be bad, and it was basically me vs SY yesterday. So getting me lynched instead of him would be preferable.

To be a devil's advocate to that though, his pressing was slightly more overt than a wolf would want to come out as to help another wolf. Slightly.

[st.cronin]

I am planning to leave the boat.

[st.cronin]

Not knowing if SY was bad or not is unfortunate ... hopefully we find out soon.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Well, the theorist in me is because I still believe SY to be bad, and it was basically me vs SY yesterday. So getting me lynched instead of him would be preferable.

To be a devil's advocate to that though, his pressing was slightly more overt than a wolf would want to come out as to help another wolf. Slightly.

I can see that. Since SY was taken away by police, it means he could have been up to no good, and was a baddie. Although, from a gaming aspect, it's not very much fun it one of the bad guys is caught by the police instead of us! But then again, since his role wasn't revealed, I guess he's not really out of the game after all -- so he could still be not part of the underground, but was just caught snooping where he shouldn't have been, or something lame like that.

Anyway, I'm inclined to agree with your analysis -- I just don't think another vote on Swaggs does now at this moment, but if his explanation isn't satisfactory, my vote will definitely go there.

[nfg22]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Not knowing if SY was bad or not is unfortunate ... hopefully we find out soon.

He might still be bad but on the second voting day right before he was supposed to be voted off he passed me the other half to my necklace, as it was only half of a necklace. This gives him some credibitlity.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Well, the theorist in me is because I still believe SY to be bad, and it was basically me vs SY yesterday. So getting me lynched instead of him would be preferable.

To be a devil's advocate to that though, his pressing was slightly more overt than a wolf would want to come out as to help another wolf. Slightly.

Thinking about this some more. If SY is bad, I think we can use this to really clear some people (none of which are me ). When I voted for you, that made it 5-4 with a little over an hour to go, but a real run on SY developed, and it was something like 7-3 at deadline.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Thinking about this some more. If SY is bad, I think we can use this to really clear some people (none of which are me ). When I voted for you, that made it 5-4 with a little over an hour to go, but a real run on SY developed, and it was something like 7-3 at deadline.

Yeah, realistically, just knowing the allegience of some people could really help. The wrench in that is the (assumed) conversion of people as we go.

[path12]

My whereabouts:

0 -- went to Playa Mia Beach, saw nobody, no options, fell asleep.
1 -- stayed on the boat, couldn't pick an excursion
2 -- went snorkeling by the shipwreck, crowded but saw nobody and had no options.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by nfg22

The argument is this.

Basically
1.Lathum said he was hungover and didnt leave the boat.
2. Lathum later says while on the boat someone cut the ropes and he fixed them.
3.Swaggs says he stayed back because he was hungover and couldnt leave the boat.
4. Lathum says he had the option to leave but didnt. Thus swags saying he didnt have the option to leave was a lie.
5. Swags lied thus he probably cut the ropes.

At first, I wasn't buying the theory that Swaggs was bad , just because Lathum was saying some ropes were cut. But that was because I wasn't remembering the items #3 and #4 above. So two have 2 suspicious things on your head is a heck of a lot more to go on than I see for anyone else. That makes the vote at this time pretty easy. Anything can change in the next 3 hours though.

VOTE SWAGGS

[path12]

It seems a pretty easy vote.

VOTE SWAGGS

[path12]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Yeah, realistically, just knowing the allegience of some people could really help. The wrench in that is the (assumed) conversion of people as we go.

Conversion is usually a factor, but one that I think is overrated and makes it too easy make a case for or against anyone. When I hear a lot of talk from someone about that I usually assume they're a wolf trying to confuse things.

Not that you've talked about it at all until now. Just a general comment.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by path12

Conversion is usually a factor, but one that I think is overrated and makes it too easy make a case for or against anyone. When I hear a lot of talk from someone about that I usually assume they're a wolf trying to confuse things.

Not that you've talked about it at all until now. Just a general comment.

I think in a more typical game, you're right.

I think in this game is lends a bit more creedence under the supposition that we all (or mostly all) started out as vanilla villagers.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by path12

Conversion is usually a factor, but one that I think is overrated and makes it too easy make a case for or against anyone. When I hear a lot of talk from someone about that I usually assume they're a wolf trying to confuse things.

Not that you've talked about it at all until now. Just a general comment.

I do think its important to keep in mind that in this game all wolves are converted wolves.

[st.cronin]

outta my head heiny

[Qwikshot]

"So someone gets arrested, and we're stuck here another day? Work might not like that, but I digress....waiter, uhm, garcon,...no that's French...mar-uh, margarita....so this chaos, yes...much like Shiva, you know, god of creation /and/ destruction...which is quite nice...y'know because if you create something, then you don't like it, you can get rid of it...because if you are just the god of creation, then man, where are you going to stick all the rejects...(drink) well...so someone is claiming to have cut the ropes, or tried to....not a very good idea, no...I'm guessing one outing the other...it makes for a rather interesting claim...so I'll follow Mr. Lathum's thinking for this one..."

Vote Swaggs

[oliegirl]

WOW - you guys were busy last night!!!! I think I'm caught up, but would appreciate a vote count if anyone has one.

I rec'd NFG's item and it does match mine, so I do have a completed item, and this puts NFG into a COT for me...I really don't think that Alan would give a piece of this item to a wolf...

I will be submitting my destination for the day shortly, and will vote shortly also - I'm leaving about 12:30 or so and will be gone until after 3 pm. However at this point I am not planning on going to the hospital tonight so I will be around this evening before deadline and will be able to get any information to Alan if I have any kind of decision to make...I'm also going to give him my AIM ID so he can get me that way if he needs to

I'm very glad that SY is gone, he was really defensive and I never really saw where he needed to be. I understand it's hard to be the one that people suspect, and most peoples initial reaction is to get really defensive, but in ww that just makes things worse most of the time. I don't know, he just was really pinging my radar so we'll see what happens.

Not sure who to vote for, if someone wants to recap the last 24 hours and make a case for why I should vote one way or the other, please do...

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

outta my head heiny

But it's so warm...yet crowded...hrm.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

First, when he went after me yesterday it seemed forced. Like he *really* wanted me out. Don't know if that has anything to do with SY's allegiences (who is the only other person I came in today thinking of voting for) but it was a little too overly agressive from someone with nothing to gain.

Secondly, I think Lathum said that he basically made up that he was too hungover and had to stay on the ship, but then Swaggs used that same line. So one of the two is lying or it's a rather large coincidence.

Thirdly, Lathum's story about the ropes being cut, and thinking someone had to be on the boat to do that (which makes sense to me), that adds suspicion on those that stayed on the boat yesterday, which Swaggs did.

I think that's the case, or at least how I read it (hope it was proper!)

Olie, here is the current case against Swaggs.

As far as a count, I don't have one, but I'd estimate it's like 9+ for Swaggs and 2-3 for Cronin

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I do think its important to keep in mind that in this game all wolves are converted wolves.

Fair point. I was talking generally rather than this particular game, which really makes the original comment totally worthless now that I think about it......

[nfg22]

I hope we get enough votes this time. Not getting a lynch really upsets me.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by nfg22

I hope we get enough votes this time. Not getting a lynch really upsets me.

tre, but it also makes the vote analaysis less valuable, since people will swithc, just to ensure somethign happens. I dont buy the case agasint swaggs. but.... I got nothing else

unvote cronin
vote swaggs

wish swaggs was aroudn to defned himself

[st.cronin]

I don't buy that a certain number of votes is needed to lynch somebody. First day, we had a tie - second day, it looks like we successfully lynched Sonic Youth.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

What are hoops and pass talking about?

My collection of posts from last night. I had some rules on how to post as a way to help the elementary school teacher from the visit to see the turtles.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

My collection of posts from last night. I had some rules on how to post as a way to help the elementary school teacher from the visit to see the turtles.

Hmm...sounds like maybe you do have some light to shed on this after all! The story unravels.

[oliegirl]

VOTE SWAGGS

Not overwhelming evidence, but it seems to be all we have right now on anyone.

I'm pretty much out now guys, I will try to check in on my phone but can't make any promises. Alan has my Aim ID in case of emergency.

[st.cronin]

Hoops, I assume that was your good deed. What would the bad deed have been?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Hmm...sounds like maybe you do have some light to shed on this after all! The story unravels.

hoops had mentioned something about needing to do a good deed for someone there. I wonder if there is anything to hoops and Taz's spech requrements or if it has just been for fun.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I don't buy that a certain number of votes is needed to lynch somebody. First day, we had a tie - second day, it looks like we successfully lynched Sonic Youth.

Taz pointed out that the rules are pretty clear that when we successfully lynch someone we find out their role in the game. On that basis, it sounds like no one has been lynched yet.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Taz pointed out that the rules are pretty clear that when we successfully lynch someone we find out their role in the game. On that basis, it sounds like no one has been lynched yet.

The rules also say that a lynch is not a lynch, but is voting for somebody to be taken off the boat - which means it makes some sense that the sequence would be as it was for SY. Vote, dock, person is removed from the boat. Otherwise, how do you explain him being taken off by the police then? It doesn't seem connected to anything anybody has done.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

The rules also say that a lynch is not a lynch, but is voting for somebody to be taken off the boat - which means it makes some sense that the sequence would be as it was for SY. Vote, dock, person is removed from the boat. Otherwise, how do you explain him being taken off by the police then? It doesn't seem connected to anything anybody has done.

I agree, but we didn't find out his role. In addition, at the end of the voting turn 2, the captain said we would not remove anyone from the boat. Then at the end of our day 3 excursions, the police came and removed SY.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Lathum

VOTE SWAGGS

when I said I was hung over I was just saying it in characture, there was never a choice to stay on because I was hung over, I just choose to stay.

This compunded with the fact Swaggs stayed on the boat yesterday and someone had to cut the ropes is enough to get my vote.

Just catching up, but see this.

To be clear, I chose the option of getting heavily intoxicated and then overslept. My message said that I had a "horrible hangover."

[Abe Sargent]

Just got caught up. Seems like an easy vote.

Vote Swaggs

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

VOTE SWAGGS

Not overwhelming evidence, but it seems to be all we have right now on anyone.

I'm pretty much out now guys, I will try to check in on my phone but can't make any promises. Alan has my Aim ID in case of emergency.

oliegirl, nfg said he passed you an item that was half of something. When you get back, can you confirm you received it? If it does not fit what you have, can you pass it to me? Thanks!

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by nfg22

The argument is this.

Basically
1.Lathum said he was hungover and didnt leave the boat.
2. Lathum later says while on the boat someone cut the ropes and he fixed them.
3.Swags says he stayed back because he was hungover and couldnt leave the boat.
3. Lathum says he had the option to leave but didnt. Thus swags saying he didnt have the option to leave was a lie.
4. Swags lied thus he probably cut the ropes.

I did not have the option of leaving the boat. I put in my order to "Explore a historic shipwreck while snorkeling the beautiful Cayman waters," but rather than getting results from that, my messaged advised that I overslept and had a horrible hangover.

I don't think Lathum is necessarily wrong or bad for suggesting that I could have cut the ropes, but he is making a poor connection. I obviously could have lied and said I went and did something, but I have been pretty forthcoming this game, in my opinion.