Obama versus McCain (versus the rest)

[Noop]

Is it possible for her to be dropped by McCain? No doubt if he were to do that his campaign would be dead in the water.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Noop

Is it possible for her to be dropped by McCain? No doubt if he were to do that his campaign would be dead in the water.

He won't. She's his ride or die chick. He's either gonna hit an evangelical home run or he's gonna strike out big. Either way, they're gonna ride this horse to the end of the road.

[Jas_lov]

There's no way he drops her. We haven't even seen her speak yet and she might do really well tonight. Unless that affair thing turns out to be true there's nothing that would make McCain drop her. The Democrats would jump all over McCain's biggest decision as a presidential nominee being a complete disaster and he'd be finished.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Real Clear Politics just released snippets of tonight's speech by Palin:

Sounds like a really defensive speech. And it looks really hackish and cliche (what speech doesn't, though?).

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

There's no way he drops her. We haven't even seen her speak yet and she might do really well tonight. Unless that affair thing turns out to be true there's nothing that would make McCain drop her. The Democrats would jump all over McCain's biggest decision as a presidential nominee being a complete disaster and he'd be finished.

What affair thing?

[SirFozzie]

Ouch. I just read up on troopergate on Wikipedia. You have to take it with a whole shaker full of salt, but it looks well referenced, and some of the quotes (from the judge in the divorce case, for example) if true.. just wow. This is the person the Republicans want to be one heartbeat from the presidency? I have to question not only her judgement, but McCain's judgement for selecting her.

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[Noop]

Jebus Thrist if this stuff is true then McCain may need to drop her.

[Jas_lov]

Originally Posted by Noop

What affair thing?

LOL! It's just a rumor and I think it's in the National Enquirer so that's how little credibility it has. I read somewhere that the McCain campaign is threatening a lawsuit against them. If it were true though, it would finish them.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

LOL! It's just a rumor and I think it's in the National Enquirer so that's how little credibility it has. I read somewhere that the McCain campaign is threatening a lawsuit against them. If it were true though, it would finish them.

Man she is getting it on all fronts...no pun intended.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Noop

To my knowledge none of those kid's parent is potentially one heartbeat away from being president of the United States of America. If she can not keep her house in order, how can she potentially run a country.

So you want place a tracker on her kid (s)? Did you drink when you we're 16? Bill Clinton seemed to damaged his family when he was President, but he managed to keep the country running smoothly.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

So you want place a tracker on her kid (s)? Did you drink when you we're 16? Bill Clinton seemed to damaged his family when he was President, but he managed to keep the country running smoothly.

No I didn't because I was at the time, an athlete and as such did no succumb to those vices.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

So you want place a tracker on her kid (s)?

If that's what it takes to avoid having her kid be a teenage drunk that gets knocked up? You're damned skippy.

At this point, all that's missing seems to be a picture of her & the family hanging out around their trailer park working on the car up on blocks in the front yard next to the pink flamingos.

edit to add -- If you take the politics out of it & just look at the details, Palin seems lot more like a candidate to be on Springer than running for public office. And more & more I'm starting to believe she's far more qualified for the former than the latter.

[Young Drachma]

Obama to Appear on Fox on Thursday Night - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com

[Flasch186]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And more & more I'm starting to believe she's far more qualified for the former than the latter.

Well I feel like JimGA and I are becoming more in agreement and I dont feel the need to admit to partisanship since Im striving to look at things at face value but any person can see things as they choose in regards to my stance and statements and anyone else's. I truly do not feel she's qualified for the position, especially compared to those that McCain couldve chosen and some on the right agree with that sentiment. Remember, Arles and I agreed that the "Real" scandal (Troopergate) should be allowed to run it's course so that we can get to the truth...The rest of the issues become opinion and valuations regarding 'experience, knowledge, traits, etc.' so there isn't much that is partisan in the real meat of things. When the spin comes it becomes evident and clear. I stated in Alaska that Troppergate was a big deal (I was there at the time), I said it should be allowed to be investigated, and the truth should be allowed to come out....How does Arles feel about Troopergate? 'nothing to see here, move along...' but I argue "We dont know yet and we should be allowed to find out the truth." where is the partisanship?

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Obama to Appear on Fox on Thursday Night - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com

Part of me sees this as a dick move. When Obama was speaking, all McCain did was release an ad congratulating Obama. Obama is planning to steal some thunder from McCain by appearing on a (most likely) very hyped interview with O'Reilly? Bad form... should have been on Friday.

[Flasch186]

Firoina's talking, "McCain will achieve a balanced budget by 2013..." Isnt that a long time? I dont know realistically but it seems long.

[Flasch186]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Part of me sees this as a dick move. When Obama was speaking, all McCain did was release an ad congratulating Obama. Obama is planning to steal some thunder from McCain by appearing on a (most likely) very hyped interview with O'Reilly? Bad form... should have been on Friday.

agreed, bad form and bad quid pro quo vs. how the RNC treated his convention. Not a good move but will people recognize it as so outside of us who pay attention to such things?

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

Firoina's talking, "McCain will achieve a balanced budget by 2013..." Isnt that a long time? I dont know realistically but it seems long.

Well, I think it was just a we'll be balanced by the end of McCain's 1st term... and that doesn't preclude hitting that a bit earlier.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

agreed, bad form and bad quid pro quo vs. how the RNC treated his convention. Not a good move but will people recognize it as so outside of us who pay attention to such things?

Eh, both sides are attempting to play to (what they perceive as) their own advantage. If Obama figures he'll get more mileage from the interview than from doing a reciprocal ad or nothing at all, then I've got no problem with it. McCain was just looking for an edge, Obama is entitled to the same AFAIC.

[Flasch186]

but cant you balance a budget quicker, I mean Im not talking running a surplus or eating into the deficit but I guess i just thought it would be faster than that but I guess I never thought about how long it would take before.

[Flasch186]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Eh, both sides are attempting to play to (what they perceive as) their own advantage. If Obama figures he'll get more mileage from the interview than from doing a reciprocal ad or nothing at all, then I've got no problem with it. McCain was just looking for an edge, Obama is entitled to the same AFAIC.

But it's different John, An ad is expected and almost gets ignored....Obama going on Fox News (a known critic of his) during the RNC convention is attractive and stealing of 'their' moment. During the DNC convention all I saw the Republicans do was after night commentary and Larry King....and it was never McCain out there. This is different and IMO poor form.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

but cant you balance a budget quicker, I mean Im not talking running a surplus or eating into the deficit but I guess i just thought it would be faster than that but I guess I never thought about how long it would take before.

It didn't preclude balancing the budget quicker .

Remember, the Clinton Administration passed his budget bill to deal with the debt in 1993 (his first year in office) and the budget didn't get balanced until Clinton's 2nd term.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

But it's different John, An ad is expected and almost gets ignored....Obama going on Fox News (a known critic of his) during the RNC convention is attractive and stealing of 'their' moment. During the DNC convention all I saw the Republicans do was after night commentary and Larry King....and it was never McCain out there. This is different and IMO poor form.

isn't part (most) of the blame on Fox News too though? for asking him on that night?

[Young Drachma]

At best, he escapes with his teeth in the same place. They'll bust him up really good and it'll be like Saddleback. Another way to embolden the right wing base. But far better than say, a reciprocal ad. Not that I think it's out of the realm of crazy for him to consider doing it.

[Flasch186]

no...theyre job is to get ratings. I wonder if they;ll get pressured to drop him though. If they did, though, he'd probably just go on somewhere else. I dont think it's playing fair....and Fox should just keep him if he's just going to go on somewhere else.

[Young Drachma]

Can't wait to hear what Mitt has to say. Wonder how many total delegates Ron Paul will have at the end of the night.

[Jas_lov]

One thing is for sure, Palin can't do any worse than Romney who lost me with his sun rising in the west opening.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

But it's different John, An ad is expected and almost gets ignored....Obama going on Fox News (a known critic of his) during the RNC convention is attractive and stealing of 'their' moment. ... This is different and IMO poor form.

I think it's pretty brilliant to tell you the truth, and I'd bet that Obama's camp offered it as a one-night-only opportunity to Fox News.

If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin', you know that by now

[Young Drachma]

"Stubborn kind of integrity that we need in a President."

Auspicious start, Huck.

[Flasch186]

Looks like Huckabee's going with the 'the media is all against us' vein....

We'll see if it works.

[Young Drachma]

I still don't see how the GOP thinks that talking change is gonna sell folks.

[Young Drachma]

Huck is comin' hard. It's gonna be a barn burner tonight. Can't wait to see the papers in the mornin'.

[Young Drachma]

I will say, I learned something tonight. I had no idea John McCain was a brave man who served in Vietnam and was a POW. They ought to cover that more and boost up that narrative.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

I will say, I learned something tonight. I had no idea John McCain was a brave man who served in Vietnam and was a POW. They ought to cover that more and boost up that narrative.

mmhmm

because you know...clearly that alone makes him fit to be president

[path12]

Did I really see Romney railing against the Eastern elitists? Seriously?

[Flasch186]

Palin wants quick state board ruling in trooper probe - CNN.com

some movement on Troopergate.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by path12

Did I really see Romney railing against the Eastern elitists? Seriously?

[SirFozzie]

No, that's more like trying to short-circuit it by handing it off to another group.

Palin wants investigation yanked from Legislature: Gov. Sarah Palin | adn.com

The Legislature plans to go forward with its investigation, said Sen. Hollis French, an Anchorage Democrat and former state prosecutor who is project director for the case.

That investigation isn't just examining potential abuse of power by the governor, but also others in her administration, French said.

"We're going to proceed. If they want to proceed, that's perfectly within their right but it doesn't diminish our right to do so," he said.

The Legislature's special counsel Steve Branchflower so far has not been able to depose either Palin or her husband, Todd. Van Flein indicated the governor likely will not agree to a deposition unless lawmakers turn the matter over the Personnel Board.

[Flasch186]

I said movement so you didnt have to say "no" as it is movement. Stinks that she and her husband wont cooperate with investigation by being deposed, if that's true.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

but cant you balance a budget quicker, I mean Im not talking running a surplus or eating into the deficit but I guess i just thought it would be faster than that but I guess I never thought about how long it would take before.

Referenced at factcheck.org:

According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, "without substantial cuts in government spending" Obama’s plan – and McCain's, too – "would substantially increase the national debt over the next ten years."

There is a link to the Tax Policy Center's report, apparently my IP range is banned from that site

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/Uploa...es_summary.pdf


factcheck.org mentions multiple times that both candidate's are expected to increase the national debt by trillions based on plans laid out so far when discussing commercials where they've attacked each others tax plans.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

I said movement so you didnt have to say "no" as it is movement. Stinks that she and her husband wont cooperate with investigation by being deposed, if that's true.

The only movement it is is a bowel movement. She's learned from the Bushes well.

[Flasch186]

well that just sucks, about the budgets and their deficits on both sides.

[Jas_lov]

Who cares about budgets and deficits, they made Levi shave his head! Bristol and Levi do look like a happy couple and Cindy McCain looks good in puke green.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Who cares about budgets and deficits, they made Levi shave his head! Bristol and Levi do look like a happy couple and Cindy McCain looks good in puke green.

Seriously. Imagine the text messages he's getting from his hockey buddies? Yeesh.

[Galaxy]

How many sisters does Sarah have?

[Flasch186]

Rudy's giving a good speech, he's really good at it. He seems to connect with the audience.

How does 'reducing gov't. strengthen the $'?

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

Rudy's giving a good speech, he's really good at it. He seems to connect with the audience.

It's a good speech. He's always has been a strong speaker.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

Rudy's giving a good speech, he's really good at it. He seems to connect with the audience.

noun + verb + 9/11 right? rinse and repeat

[Flasch186]

ouch, did he just say the word "islamic" offends terrorists? Maybe I heard it wrong. Im not sure I even understand the point but I wonder what he meant.

[Young Drachma]

Rudy saves America!