Why hasn't Jim Bowden been fired yet? He Quit. LOL! - Page 3

Butter · 08-09-2006, 10:42 AM

Having lived through the Reds own Jim Bowden era, frankly I wouldn't be inclined to believe a word he says.

daedalus · 08-10-2006, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

I can't speak to the situations of other converted starters, but Gagne does (or did) have three quality pitches. Good fastball, sick curve, and a Bugs Bunny changeup that complements the fastball nicely.

The problem was, he had no sense of pacing as a starter. He tried to strike everybody out, and ran out of gas by the 4th or 5th inning. That kind of mentality is fine as a closer, when you're pitching one or two innings, but doesn't work so well when your team is counting on you to go 6 or 7.

His fastball was solid as a starter. I believe it was generally in the 91-92 range. When he switched and no longer had to pace himself (which matched his hockey mentality much better), he seemed to be pitching more in the 95-96 range. That created an even bigger gap with his changeup which was also solid but not nearly as good as it became.

I believe the other kid that ended up going to Toronto (before coming back after being hurt) was rated much higher than Gagne.

Samdari · 08-10-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bisbo

Bowden is a goddam idiot. I'm sure he pissed off a lot of GMs with all his smirky talk about getting the price he was demanding. Worst decision made by the Lerners was to keep him. The Nationals will never build a solid club with this jackass.

He is a puppet now, with strings being pulled by Stan Kasten. It was clear listening to them in the media that Kasten had ALL decision making authority during the trade deadline countdown.

rexallllsc · 08-10-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by daedalus

His fastball was solid as a starter. I believe it was generally in the 91-92 range. When he switched and no longer had to pace himself (which matched his hockey mentality much better), he seemed to be pitching more in the 95-96 range. That created an even bigger gap with his changeup which was also solid but not nearly as good as it became.

I believe the other kid that ended up going to Toronto (before coming back after being hurt) was rated much higher than Gagne.

Prokopec? Yeh, he had some good games.

Yeh, Gagne was a really good prospect who came up, would have a good game or two, then get rocked.

Then he came to camp one year a lot heavier, it seemed like...

Jonathan Ezarik · 08-10-2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bisbo

Bowden is a goddam idiot. I'm sure he pissed off a lot of GMs with all his smirky talk about getting the price he was demanding. Worst decision made by the Lerners was to keep him. The Nationals will never build a solid club with this jackass.

Just be glad your GM isn't Dave Littlefield.

JS19 · 11-19-2006, 04:12 PM

So, ummmm, yea. How 'bout that Soriano guy.

Toddzilla · 03-01-2009, 01:12 PM

The Obstructionist Ignoramus is Dead! WOOT!

Jim Bowden Quits

sterlingice · 03-01-2009, 01:34 PM

Wow. Seems like an odd time of year for it...

SI

SackAttack · 03-01-2009, 02:27 PM

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Wow. Seems like an odd time of year for it...

SI

Until you realize he was being investigated by the feds in relation to that whole 'skimming of Latin American player bonuses' thing.

lordscarlet · 03-02-2009, 12:45 PM

Let the Mike Rizzo era begin.

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